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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by xboxnolifes »

Karsteski wrote: post #130
chrisseaton wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think weight is a protected category, so yes this is fine. For example insurers will discriminate based on weight. The military discriminates based on weight. Hooters discriminates based on weight. Etc.

Well I hope we don't end up in such a world. Even if I personally won't be affected negatively. Sounds incredibly distopian.

You already do. Just because nobody writes an articles talking about how they try to avoid hiring overweight people doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Post by Ekaros »

titzer wrote: post #170
ekianjo wrote: post #146

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> Can you talk us through exactly which rights you think are being violated? I recall the left has been very vocal about "my body my right" when it came to some different kind of issue. Funny that the standards don't hold very much.

> the left has been very vocal about "my body my right" Regarding abortion. Are pregnancies contagious now, creating a serious public health crisis?

Most of the time they happen due to contamination by foreign gene material. And historically they certainly have caused lot of mortality.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by feikname »

jaquer_1 wrote: post #14
Oddskar wrote: post #4

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1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

> Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights.

It won't stop infection. But it greatly reduces that rate and, above all, your risk of death and the strength of the disease in general in case you do catch it.

> Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments.

The argument should be very clear: vaccines are a known and easy way to make the virus a non-threat, or a small one at that.

To that end, you can see the numbers for yourself after vaccination started[1] and how greatly the number of deaths and cases has reduced.

[1] see for example Brazil since June till now: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/

> Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

Given this is a place where IT Big Corp and govts. are constantly critized, I don't think anyone here is defending this as an WHO or any institution ass kisser

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by agstd »

ethbr0 wrote: post #117
dbnap wrote: post #103

Employees who do not wish to receive the vaccine sacrament should quit, move to Florida and found a new search engine. They are probably the better ones anyway, since they have some hacker spirit left.

How is putting a crash-developed mRNA vaccine that synthesizes custom-designed antigens into your body, in order to help the greater good, not hacker spirit?

BioNTech and Moderna are Google divisions? It is interesting that any call to action is flagged here, while polite discussion that never changes the status quo is allowed.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by ethbr0 »

agstd wrote: post #174
ethbr0 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is putting a crash-developed mRNA vaccine that synthesizes custom-designed antigens into your body, in order to help the greater good, not hacker spirit?

BioNTech and Moderna are Google divisions? It is interesting that any call to action is flagged here, while polite discussion that never changes the status quo is allowed.

Maybe ask why your peers are flagging those things, instead of insinuating conspiracy.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

ekianjo wrote: post #133
criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

> if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections Will health insurers deny claims related to cancer if you have been drinking alcohol? Good luck living in that world.

Health insurers want to increase, or at least maintain, their profits. They won't deny claims because they want a better society, they want to minimize their financial risk.

So yes, one would expect to be in their commercial interest to deny cancer claims to people who willingly put themselves at excessive risk of cancer at some point in the future. It's the infinite wisdom of the free market!

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Post by belltaco »

ekianjo wrote: post #133
criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

> if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections Will health insurers deny claims related to cancer if you have been drinking alcohol? Good luck living in that world.

Quitting alcohol is nowhere as easy as getting covid vaccines. If there was a cheap/free safe vaccine that reduced the chances of getting hospitalized or dying of cancer by >60%, your point would be more valid.

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Post by hackflip »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #99
cletus wrote: post #46

What I find sad about this is how many who seem to be against it were just recently so in favour of private business autonomy [1]. No one's rights are being violated here. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you can. But those choices come with consequences, like just about every other choice we make. It's worth noting that fully remote people won't fall under this policy (from my reading of it anyway) so this isn't…

My Dad has a big divot out of his arm from the vaccine gun when he joined the army. Everyone got a vaccine and that is how it was because the decision was science-based and not up for discussion. Same for when I went to school. Kid not vaccinated? You aren’t going to school. Somehow that got eroded by madness.

Science is always up for discussion. A lot of people like making appeals to authority and calling that "science".

I say this as someone who is vaccinated and encourages others to be so as well.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by [deleted] »

asoneth wrote: post #161

I'm definitely pro-vaccine, but I'm also concerned about the long-term impact of alienating whole swaths of the country with policies like these. Perhaps there are less onerous policies that would be similarly effective? To address the risk of transmission for in-person employees, would a combination of masking and testing be similarly effective at minimizing office outbreaks? As for the increase in a company's healt…

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by acdha »

ekianjo wrote: post #139
vlovich123 wrote: post #55

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That’s not how infectious diseases work. You can be getting other people sick. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective so prolonged exposure in indoor spaces increases chances. Some people also are immuno compromised and can’t be vaccinated so you’d be putting them at risk too. Are you going to start paying for their sick time too and signing away that you’re personally liable for deaths?

> You can be getting other people sick You must be missing the part that vaccinated people transmit the virus just the same. This is not a sterilizing vaccine we are dealing with.

That's not boolean: vaccinated individuals transmit _less_ than the unvaccinated. It's not as good as we'd like but it's better than doing nothing and given how quick, easy, and cheap vaccines are it's like mandating seatbelt usage even if you know that some people will still be injured.
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