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When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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I agree with the premise of the article but there’s also some survivorship bias at play. We know about (and don’t knock down) the particularly beautiful older buildings. If you go to New York City there’s beautiful stuff from the early 20th century (think Chrysler Building) and plenty of unremarkable stuff still standing (think pre-war walk ups). Maybe one in a hundred of the older buildings is remarkably beautiful.…

The survivorship bias argument has two major problems:

1) There are many older cities in Europe where the entire city center is beautiful. Paris, for example, or Tallinn. These aren't just rare 'survivors.'

2) Where are buildings from the last 40 years that will be the 'survivors' of the future? In NYC alone dozens of beautiful buildings were built in the 1920s and 30s. Where are the dozens of modern equivalents?

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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It is easy to agree with the sentiment of this article, but the fundamental premise of this is wrong in modern architecture. That premise is that it is the architect that is in control of the final aesthetic of the building. Architects get work by participating in competitions against other architects for limited budgets. In a few, rare cases (usually public buildings and museums) an extraordinary budget may be approved that goes to funding truly radical buildings that break from the status quo, but in the overwhelming majority of cases architects play a fine line within the following constraints:

1. Planning regulations (in the UK at least, it's very hard to propose buildings that differ significantly from neighbouring buildings)

2. Materials -- building custom window frames / door frames is incredibly expensive. The first thing that tends to get cut as budgets are inevitably squeezed are any custom items

3. Client expectations -- most new large buildings are built with a projection of future occupants. Developers want to be able to make apartments as saleable as possible so usually take the most risk-averse options

While I applaud concepts with more colour, detail and originality, you must also consider where you would like to live. Most people (I think) want to build out their own custom surroundings as their home grows on them. Bland buildings make this easier because it is a blank canvas upon which you can begin to construct your own projection of your ideal home. Being locked inside a giant multicoloured artwork conceived of by somebody else might sound appealing to start off with, but will quickly become an aesthetic prison of somebody else's personality.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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post #2

This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

I live in New Orleans, which has some very strict rules about what you can and cannot do when building or renovating in the French Quarter. As a consequence of this, there are multiple businesses that exist mostly to create all the legally-mandated ornamentation. Their work shows up outside the historic district, too.

You don't wanna carve stone, sure, but there's people out there who love sculpting and carving and all the other physical creative work involved in making a pretty building.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

#175
The question is what cost are we willing to pay for buildings and cities to be more beautiful?

The author doesn’t address cost at all and it is one of the primary inputs to buildings. Not just the construction cost but the operating costs especially the ongoing energy consumption.

Productivity and efficiency matters. At the city scale, these have a measurable impact on quality of life. A city that wastes gigawatt-hours of energy every year will be poorer than its neighbors that do not.

But perhaps you would pay something extra to live in that beautiful but massive energy sink of a city. How much extra? No one wants to live in a perfectly efficient yet ugly building or city. So the question is, what is worth for buildings to be aesthetically pleasing?

P.S. This is not a symptom of capitalism, IMO, as the author incorrectly asserts and the end. Productive use of energy is an equation of life not any particular economic system.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

#176
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screw the ornamental stuff, when do we start getting different large-scale patterns in spaces to live and work? Long dark hallways filled with apartments where nobody knows each other or has any occasion to interact. Secluded offices vs. anxiety inducing planes of "open" disasters. Apartments designed to be a shrine to a television and a small bedroom with light only suitable for cave dwellers. The shape of spaces is…

Sure, that too. Architects don't give a shit about interior spaces. They have interns do the plans. What they are lauded for is the exterior, the big hall and the sky terrace. To be fair the working space is being experimented upon. The open spaces are fairly new, and there are plenty of workplaces also where people don't have attributed desks, they just walk around the building and sit wherever they want. Whether an…

> To be fair the working space is being experimented upon. The open spaces are fairly new, and there are plenty of workplaces also where people don't have attributed desks, they just walk around the building and sit wherever they want. Whether any of it works, I don't know...

All of this is purely driven by cost cutting.

Many jobs require deep concentration and quiet and in places that respect this you get individual offices (extremely rare for the entire company, but notice that in 99% of companies every level above manager tends to get an individual office) or team offices (probably the best compromise in terms of cost - socialization trade-off).

The flexible desk ("flex desk") setups work for some things, but they tend to suck, too. You have to take everything with you, generally. Over the ear headset? Bring a bag! Favorite mug? Probably the same. Pens, notes, whatever? Nomad life style.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Most of the beautiful normal buildings in Europe are quite simple in design. It isn't like Italianate design isn't particularly expensive: urban American buildings used to be built in that style a lot up until the 1930s.

Modern urban buildings use the same materials and could easily replicate the Italianate design aesthetic. Designers just choose to build with a more boring, minimalist style.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

#178

I actually prefer the modern ones to the old ones (... well some of them at least). A bit of an aside - I have often wondered what makes "good" architecture, i.e. what is it about a space that means it is still a "good" place to be. There are many examples of both "old", "post-war", and "modern" architecture in London where the spaces are still great spaces and inspiring and welcoming and just work for their purpose,…

From the article

> Beauty. What is beauty? Beauty is that which gives aesthetic pleasure. Beauty is both subjective and objective—subjective because it is “in the eye of the beholder” but objective in that “pleasure” is something you either experience or you do not. If a building isn’t giving people pleasure to look at, then it is not beautiful, because beautiful things are things that you want to keep looking at because seeing them brings joy.

This gives me vibes from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The author talks a lot about "quality" and how it's impossible to define exactly what it is. It's either there, or it's not, and we know when it is intrinsically, but efforts to define the "magic formula" fail to capture what quality entails.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

#179
post #51

Standards and building codes, the same sorts of reasons cars, except for a few visual design points, all have the same basic shape and look. Organizations, as well as home buyers, also look for resaleability and the ability to repurpose spaces — odd, though beautiful buildings are thought to be hard to sell, and specialized spaces are considered long-term detriments. Contemporary architecture is a monument to bureauc…

For every practical reason for the flat boxy look I’m sure alternative approaches can be worked out, but people have to want to do it first. As someone who is not a car owner I find it striking how functionally blind most people are to the ugliness of cars. Modern cars are designed to look well alone in a vast empty space, and that is how car ads pitch them. But when you see them racked and stacked bumper to bumper l…

> People are so functionally blind they can’t even imagine any other way. Surely, you must have cars.

At this point, depending where you live, you must have cars. I lived in the big Texas cities, and outside of a few places close to the city centers, it's literally impossible to live without a car. The cities are designed around cars, and unless we tear them up and rebuild them from the ground up, you simply must have a car.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every architect I've met is like a jaded COBOL programmer at the government that refuses to leave their niche because change increases the chances of you getting fired.

Architect here. From my experience I would say completely the oposite, every intern is a Idris or at least a Haskell programmer. Architectural offices, soon or later, will make them Java programmers. COBOL programmers are the government authorities and the typical investor.

I kind of always wanted to be an architect, and my skillset largely seems inclined toward it; so much so that growing up, my dad was sure it was what I’d do. But EVERY exposure I had to young people in the industry, and even education to an extent (Saw a passionate friend quit the UMich program) belied the sentiment we’re bemoaning here. I wound up consigning my impulses to representational painting.

Out of curiosity, before modernism, what would an architecture curriculum have looked like? Are there any foundational texts?

*I don’t hate modernism, lots of it is pretty cool. However, I hate what it did to the pedagogy of painting. It set me back ten years because it was so hard to find anyone who knew what they were talking about. Western art departments figuratively and literally destroyed the basis for teaching representational aesthetics, which had been developed for thousands of years, and then celebrated themselves for doing so. Now, relatively, no one knows how to draw.

I suspect something similar happened in architecture, and in light of that, I don’t know who to trust or approach on how to start self-learning. I’ll never build cool buildings, but I can design them and use architecture to inform my painting.

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