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Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by jacobolus »

jacobolus wrote: post #59
silicon2401 wrote: post #31

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Places like Sweden, Japan, Taiwan are often touted as examples of why XYZ works. However people often fail to mention that these places are, relative to many countries like the US, extremely homogenous in culture and ethnicity. Certain things that work in those countries will fall apart when attempted in a more diverse country.

Sweden is something like 20% foreign immigrants and another 5% who are children of 2 immigrant parents. For the past half century Sweden has taken in a lot of refugees and other immigrants, and has more foreign residents per capita than the USA. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden Taiwan is 3% foreign immigrants, Japan is 2%.

(Sweden is comparable in proportion of foreign immigrants to New York, Florida, or Hawaii; a bit lower than California; much more than most US states. As far as diversity is concerned, Japan/Taiwan are more like West Virginia.)

Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by popcube »

jacobolus wrote: post #44
wonderwonder wrote: post #26

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I can understand personal preference of a child but study after study show that children whose parents are actively involved with their education and schooling get better results.

Active involvement = parent teaches child various skills and ideas, reads books aloud, suggests interesting problems to solve, works together with them on extra-curricular projects, obtains materials and resources related to the child’s personal interests, ... Micromanaging the completion of their school-assigned busywork is something different.

if parents want to do this, they should know they kids have exam... just one semester failue on exam, kids will start escape and "forgot" homework and more test, if parent work too hard they even have no chance find it...

Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by chrisweekly »

namdnay wrote: post #106
locallost wrote: post #29

> The platform is a complex system that’s made up of three different parts, containing 18 individual modules that are maintained by five external companies. The sprawling system is used by 600 preschools and 177 schools, with separate logins for every teacher, student, and parent. The only problem? It doesn’t work. > The Skolplattform, which has cost more than 1 billion Swedish Krona, SEK, ($117 million), has failed…

So an app for schoolkids is a really good idea. In France the app is built by the (semi-public) post office, it's called "kidscare". teachers can upload photos live, you can set who is allowed to pick up your kids, you can send a notification if your kid is sick etc... not the slickest or most stable app, but miles better than using whatsapp

KidScare is how I first read that.

Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by [deleted] »

bjourne wrote: post #132
urvader wrote: post #73

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(I am Christian Landgren, cofounder of the project) You are right, the city believes they have ownership of the data, mainly because they fail to understand that they aren’t showing data in an app, but rather publishing data in an API. In Swedish law, once you have released data from a government, the receiver have the right to do whatever they want with the that data (as long as it isn’t violating any other laws). T…

But there is no API here. The article makes it clear that you were intercepting client-server communication not meant to be used by third parties in order to write your own client. That it could be used as an API doesn't matter since the intent wasn't to create an API. I could do the same thing and write an app for, say, the tax agency by scraping its website but it would be a legal gray area.

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Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by wonderwonder »

newbamboo wrote: post #137
_jal wrote: post #93

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> If she is not good at managing that sort of thing, then she needs to get better. ...And how do you think that happens? "Sarah, I can't help but notice that you have emotional regulation issues. Go get better at it."

I would ask her why she didn’t do well on her math test and encourage her to think about strategies she could use to do better on the next one. I believe in providing scaffolding and empowering young minds. I realize there are different parenting styles but at some point the child won’t have anyone else to manage her and will need to solve problems in her own. It’s great if she has a lot of practice and experience wi…

"I would ask her why she didn’t do well on her math test and encourage her to think about strategies she could use to do better on the next one." How has that worked with your own kids? If my kid comes home with an F on a test, they don't want me to sit down and think about strategies. They are going to probably be upset (if they think academics are important) or not care at all (not a great alternative). First thing your kids wants is just to be told its fine and that they will do better on the next one. But them doing better on the next one will not result from giving them strategies, they are kids, you have to sit down with them, go over the subject matter and discuss it with them to ensure they understand.

"I feel like she would be missing out on important aspects of life; the pride and comfort that comes with self sufficiency and personal accomplishment." letting kids fail a ton of stuff in school so that they can learn better strategies sounds good in practice but in reality it will probably end up in the kid feeling terrible about themselves, and mentally resigning themselves to academic failure. Kids don't need strategy they need to know their family cares about them and are actively there to support and work with them.

Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by sosborn »

drcongo wrote: post #128

Every edutech platform I've ever had to use (UK, with 3 kids going through school) is an abomination, the whole sector needs disrupting. My current nemesis is Iris Parentmail [0], a convoluted jumble of javascript that presents the user with a challenge - try to read the apparently important message the school has sent you before Parentmail crashes your browser. If the message is particularly long, then there's an en…

I work with these systems in my day job, and yes, if any one wants to work on this problem I would love to be a part of it.

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Post by silicon2401 »

jacobolus wrote: post #59
silicon2401 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Places like Sweden, Japan, Taiwan are often touted as examples of why XYZ works. However people often fail to mention that these places are, relative to many countries like the US, extremely homogenous in culture and ethnicity. Certain things that work in those countries will fall apart when attempted in a more diverse country.

Sweden is something like 20% foreign immigrants and another 5% who are children of 2 immigrant parents. For the past half century Sweden has taken in a lot of refugees and other immigrants, and has more foreign residents per capita than the USA. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden Taiwan is 3% foreign immigrants, Japan is 2%.

The article doesn't say where those immigrants are from. Swedes and Norwegians have different cultures and histories, but there's a huge difference between 20% Norwegian immigrants and 20% Chinese immigrants

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Post by eptcyka »

wonderwonder wrote: post #26
raxxorrax wrote: post #20

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As I said, as a kid I would have hated this. I don't think kids benefit from this kind of overbearing parenting in the long run. Better than being neglected, I guess. Perhaps this is useful for very young children, but knowing myself I would have broken out of there as quickly as possible.

I can understand personal preference of a child but study after study show that children whose parents are actively involved with their education and schooling get better results.

I don't know anyone personally whose parents were involved with them during their school years and they achieved moderate or high grades.

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Post by silicon2401 »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #136
nivenkos wrote: post #63

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What does this have to do with ethnicity?

People trust those that look more like them. It’s just human nature. It’s why people say all all white jury is racist when defendants are black, or why cops are racist. Putnam’s diversity study also confirmed it. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-diversity-cr... the authors hand save the data with the usual ham fisted white people are racist retort. Sociologists aren't respected because of authors like…

> “Han Chinese” isn’t based on genetics it’s many different races that call themselves Han because they share culture.

Not quite. Han Chinese is a specific ethnicity. But it is true that "Chinese” isn’t based on genetics, it’s many different races that call themselves "Chinese" because they share culture. Or to cover all cases, it's many different races that the Chinese government calls "Chinese" to push a facade of homogeneity, marginalize minority peoples like Uyghurs, and marginalize minority languages and cultures in China that aren't Han Chinese, though their current nationality is Chinese.

Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops

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Post by silicon2401 »

addicted wrote: post #78
silicon2401 wrote: post #31

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Places like Sweden, Japan, Taiwan are often touted as examples of why XYZ works. However people often fail to mention that these places are, relative to many countries like the US, extremely homogenous in culture and ethnicity. Certain things that work in those countries will fall apart when attempted in a more diverse country.

Yeah, no. This is a very outdated stereotype. Sweden, for example, is already very diverse and is getting increasingly more so.

It'll be a great data point to see what happens when a modern, homogenous country becomes more diverse, in contrast with Japan and Korea that aren't likely to follow the same path anytime soon.
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