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Re: Meta

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Post by avs733 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #128
ryandrake wrote: post #112

As much as I am not a FB fan, I give Zucc credit for dedicating an entire keynote to his vision of the future. What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? Who knows! They never talk about the future. Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous on…

> What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? I can't say that I care at all about what trillion dollar companies' visions of the future are.

I would go further and say that us being excited, and it being newsworthy, when a CEO's vision of the future is shared is deeply troubling. Their incentives are only aligned with society at the absolute loosest level.

Re: Meta

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Post by shadowgovt »

heavyset_go wrote: post #128
ryandrake wrote: post #112

As much as I am not a FB fan, I give Zucc credit for dedicating an entire keynote to his vision of the future. What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? Who knows! They never talk about the future. Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous on…

> What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? I can't say that I care at all about what trillion dollar companies' visions of the future are.

It can be useful, if for no other reasons than to understand their actions better.

Google believes in a customized, personal assistant in every pocket: a you-shaped facet of a gem that is all the data on the Internet. Getting there involves understanding what "you-shaped" looks like, hence all the data harvesting.

Re: Meta

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Post by gordon_freeman »

ryandrake wrote: post #112

As much as I am not a FB fan, I give Zucc credit for dedicating an entire keynote to his vision of the future. What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? Who knows! They never talk about the future. Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous on…

> "Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous one... forever and ever. "

This is a very narrow way to look at Apple's future products and innovation. A lot of things Apple has done over the years such as introducing Macs with M1 chips, focusing on fitness (ex: ECG monitoring) and privacy based features, widespread adoption of contactless payments through services like Apple Pay are all great innovations in their own rights.

Re: Meta

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Post by randycupertino »

Steltek wrote: post #35

Has a huge company ever rebranded themselves like this to a dream that they're so far away from delivering on? The Metaverse isn't an unfamiliar or abstract thing, it's well represented in movies and TV, and it's a pretty dramatic territory to claim: full sensory immersion in an infinite, interactive world. No one has gotten even a fraction of those things "right" and a social media company is gonna bet the farm on i…

> Has a huge company ever rebranded themselves like this to a dream that they're so far away from delivering on?

Theranos, when they pivoted from a medication-delivering patch to a blood testing analytics company. Neither of which they ever actually had the tech for!

Re: Meta

#175

Post by pessimizer »

mrkramer wrote: post #81
handrous wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most major tech companies seem to be betting that non-shit AR glasses aren't far off, and are prepping to be ready for that day 1. Big VR bets makes less sense to me. AR is the next smartphone. VR is the next... TV or workstation monitor, and even then, only for some use cases. Just seems like a much smaller opportunity.

VR is the next PC. "VR headset in every home" could be the next Microsoft like company mission and vision. I think for instance VR will have big impact in medicine and education but like I said it is decades away something like PC industry in 1970s.

VR is the next 3D TV. A cumbersome, marginal improvement on something that already works fine.

Even for industrial use, its only cases I've heard about have been to transmit manual labor over a network. There are very limited cases where we need to do that, although I have no doubt that VR will be useful for undersea or outer space welding, or something, with a very skilled operator. Otherwise, the accuracy necessary is going to make the machine (at the endpoint) far more expensive to build and maintain than it is to just send the human.

edit: It'll be good for killbots. They'll be largely autonomous other than Tesla autopilot-style nudges. The work doesn't require a lot of accuracy, and there are still a few social hangups about totally autonomous killing machines that would make an operator in a VR set more acceptable, even if they don't have much to do.

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Post by yyyk »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #143
vineyardmike wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone. 2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a…

>Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. It's not scanning on the client side, it's hashing. People on this site should really understand the difference. The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side. Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup, and they have to do something if they don't want the legal,…

Apple doesn't do E2E, and there's no evidence they are going to. It's very likely they just legally can't.

First, the FBI (which supposedly stopped the last attempt to introduce E2E) has more concerns than CSAM.

Second, the current scanning system + E2E will have significant weaknesses* compared to server side scanning. As it is, Apple will pay the same legal costs as it would be if it had implemented E2E without scanning.

The only way to answer both concerns is to have way more invasive scanning than Apple told us it would do. IMHO, iCloud E2E is just a made up slogan to justify Apple snooping on the device. The real future is just way more scanning.

* The scanning database must receive updates after the images have been uploaded, because the hash as described inherently cannot catch most offenders right away. It's an issue of both space (the proposal is based on a perceptual hash, but the hash must be far smaller than the original, so similar images can't all get the same hash) and timing (NCMEC can't find new CSAM right away).

However, the images were likely deleted on the device, so neither side has access to allow rescanning in the E2E scenario. Unless.. The solutions here all involve more scanning than the original proposal.

Re: Meta

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Post by pessimizer »

ihumanable wrote: post #60
seph-reed wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The way I see this playing out is that the metaverse is going to be for poor people while reality is enjoyed by those with resources for "all five senses". Given my experience in Alt Space thus far, I think there's a really good chance you're right.

I don't claim to know what exactly the metaverse will look like, but I remember the first time I put on an Oculus Quest. The first experience you have is being dropped into your "home" and mine defaulted to a big mountain side house, warm wood, fireplace, massive window looking out into a beautiful valley. It was virtual but convincing enough and I still sometimes enjoy just taking in the virtual view before or after…

My home isn't primarily for looking at. It's mainly where I keep my things, a collection of comfortable surfaces, a place to cook and entertain, and a place for privacy. VR gives you none of those.

edit: home is also a place to work on projects, so I guess that VR fulfills that in a minecraft-type fashion.

Re: Meta

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Post by astlouis44 »

mrkramer wrote: post #24

Article doesn't mention but Zuck wanted to acquire Unity because he thought Unity will be future VR/AR engine/platform and Facebook wants to own it and not be at the mercy of Apple and Google. I don't know why he didn't pursue it if he is so sure in Metaverse VR/AR thing.

Mark my words, Meta is going to acquire Epic Games so they can own of the major content creation engines for the metaverse.

Not to mention all that sweet, sweet game developer data and owning one of the most popular social multiplayer games out there today.

Re: Meta

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Post by yyyk »

Well, Facebook sure sent a strong signal of being committed to an AR/VR vision. We can't say they don't have a corporate direction.

Would it work? I suspect that it's too early for the tech. Haven't seen much yet in the way of compelling apps - and first mover advantage isn't what it used to be.

Re: Meta

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Post by lostlogin »

lostlogin wrote: post #96
vineyardmike wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now imagine your [otherwise] dream job demands that you strap a Quest on and feed Zuck's data fetish. Its very likely that a commercial Oculus device won't collect data (what company approves that?), so it might actually give FB a path to money that is free of data+ads.

> what company approves that? Kissing by the number that have FB accounts, most?

Sorry, moving too fast. “Judging by the number that have FB accounts, most?”
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