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14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by aidenn0 »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #162
mrtksn wrote: post #143

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My guess is that Apple bet on something that did not materialise, it wasn't about Jony Ive not caring about user feedback. What was the bet you say? I think they bet that the shift to USB-C/Thunderbolt/Wireless will happen quickly and they can help with the push and increase their margins. IMHO It wasn't a design decision but a business one and I think the removal of mag-safe is a giveaway. Every little thing that th…

USB-C adoption mostly went fine, though. Or as fine as could be expected. I think the past five years can be more easily explained with — ironically — a Steve Jobs quote: > When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, cars got more popular … PCs are going to be like trucks. They're still going to be around,…

> do they still make Mazda Miatas

It's gone through some name changes in the US (sometimes MX-5 Miata, sometimes just MX-5), but they still sell it.

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Post by mrkstu »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #118
stuff4ben wrote: post #64

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> I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I'm sure that is a very accurate statement. I thoroughly enjoy the improvements to the keyboard and adding back in the new ports. But I wonder what the future of the MacBook will be without the visionary design from Ives? Are we going to see a melding of PC and Macs or will Apple keep design innovation at the forefront?

Yeah this feels like a pyrrhic victory. Yes, we've gotten our ports back, but is this indicative of a trend that Apple is moving away from design? It's too soon to say but I'd argue that it's likely Apple will experience some regression to the mean. Considering that Apple's design is several orders of magnitude away from the mean, that'd be a loss.

I’d say the new iMac’s argue against that. Very ‘designed,’ very thin, to the point of compromise in some ways. It seems they are letting the designers have their way in the non-pro arena.

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Post by madeofpalk »

Thorncorona wrote: post #82

Can someone tell me whether their 14in gives enough real estate when debugging in VS code with the terminal open? A screenshot would be greatly apprecoated, thanks.

Only you can answer this question. If you're used to a larger screen then it's quite the adjustment

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by rsanheim »

eknkc wrote: post #37
cassianoleal wrote: post #13

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I don't think I've ever had an issue related to Rosetta2. Everything I had to run on it worked flawlessly and without any noticeable performance hit. This is only my own anecdote though.

I also had everything working fine but performance is really bad when you go through rosetta. For example, discord client is still x86 and while it works without any issues, the heaviness is noticeable. Also, .NET 5 does not have an arm build (.NET 6 does but it is still in beta). The entire toolchain works but compiling a binary can be 3-4 times slower on the emulated one. Things work without any issues though. They…

I was running the main ruby on rails app I work on via Rosetta since the first M1 MacBooks came out. The performance hit was there for sure, but not huge. Running local tests or seeding my database ranged to "about the same" to 10-20% slower than my 10 core iMac Pro, which is still a pretty fast machine.

Since I've upgraded the app to support Arm natively, almost everything runs faster on the m1 13" macbook compared to my 10 core iMac, with the exception of long running tasks that will use all the cores you can throw at them.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by hbn »

spicybright wrote: post #135
beaner wrote: post #90

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Personally I dislike this bit. Thinness isn't everything, but it's something. I don't know that the new models really needed to look as brick-ish as they do, and the previous design was certainly sexier.

I actually like the throwback, personally. I'm guessing they did that to differentiate it in the market. What I have trouble getting over is the flipping notch to the top. Just why. The bezel on my 2019 macbook looks the same, if not skinnier. Do people really not watch fullscreen videos anymore or something?

> Do people really not watch fullscreen videos anymore or something?

In fullscreen, it puts a black bar at the top and the display becomes 16:10

I don't see the big deal. I'm looking at my 2019 16-inch MBP right now and it looks about the size of the notch from what I've seen. The camera has to go somewhere, and this solution just pushes up the menu bar to the sides of the camera instead of taking up part of the 16:10 section beneath it.

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Post by k8sToGo »

deergomoo wrote: post #109
losvedir wrote: post #69

I ordered mine on release day and am eagerly awaiting its delivery. Glad to hear that about the notch. I couldn't for the life of me think why it mattered. When the presentation showed it, I looked at the very display of the Mac laptop I was watching it on and sure enough, there was a gap in the menu bar where the notch would be, with the menu items on the left and the clock and all those little widget icons on the r…

> But then I saw all these comments about how it was horrible and a deal breaker [...] I thought either everyone had lost their collective mind, or I was missing something I think people dialled the outrage back again when they realised the area below the notch is a full 16:10 display—i.e. they added display where bezel used to be, rather than cutting into the display area.

Yes, once I heared that I was ok with the notch. Not only that, it makes much sense this way.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

itg wrote: post #94

I'm curious what specs are software developers planning on getting. From what I've seen, the m1 mba/mbp was good enough for a lot of use cases so I dont see the point of get some specced out mpb. I am currently leaning towards the base model 14" but with 1tb of space.

Minimum config that allows 64 GB RAM which unfortunately means the M1 Max, 2 TB SSD. Prices out just under 4k for the 14”, over 4k for the 16”. Not sure I care about the screen size, I’m almost always at my desk with a 43” display. But either way it’s gonna be a few months before I can budget it.

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Post by beaner »

madeofpalk wrote: post #163
beaner wrote: post #90

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Personally I dislike this bit. Thinness isn't everything, but it's something. I don't know that the new models really needed to look as brick-ish as they do, and the previous design was certainly sexier.

This is why you have a full product line, right? You can make one laptop that prioritises weight and thinness, and you can make another one that prioritises power, features, etc. The problem with the previous Macbook product line was that all products had the same compromises. Design purity, and thinness over everything else. There was no choice for a "pro" machine that had a different set of tradeoffs to achieve pro…

I'm just asking for a tapered edge :D The new bulbous rounded edges almost seem passive-aggressive from apple. Yes, prioritize power, and with whatever remaining ability to make things pretty that you have, utilize it. When you can but don't, that's unattractive. Is there a specific reason for the brick look? I'm not sure that we know there is.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by k8sToGo »

Thorncorona wrote: post #82

Can someone tell me whether their 14in gives enough real estate when debugging in VS code with the terminal open? A screenshot would be greatly apprecoated, thanks.

For me 14" is enough to do work, but definitely would not wand to stare at it all day. These days you can just connect a second (portable) display via USB-C so that helps a little. Though I don't recommend doing that on battery alone.
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