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Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by helmholtz »

milankragujevic wrote: post #168
helmholtz wrote: post #105

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Is there any way to use Pop without the gnome backend? Gnome and Pop both ship with Nautilus, and apparently don't work well without it, but Nautilus doesn't have type-ahead navigation. This is when you are in a directory and start typing the first few letters of the file you want to get to. In Windows Explorer, that will just lead to the cursor skipping ahead, whereas in Gnome, this starts a search for the file. It'…

I had the same issue and resolved it on Pop! OS with this patched nautilus from a PPA. https://launchpad.net/~lubomir-brindza/+archive/ubuntu/nauti... Works great for me!

Oh hell yes. Thank you! I think it's time to give Pop a chance again then!

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by fosshogg »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #11
JeremyMorgan wrote: post #8

Pop is my new favorite. I started using it at the urging of friends, and love it. I've written a couple reviews of it on my blog, as it's been my "daily driver" for my laptop for nearly a year. I've been a Linux user since 1995/96, and a die hard Arch user for about 10 years. So why would I want a Linux distro that's super hands-off and easy to use? It's incredibly stable. "Set it and forget it". If I want a bleeding…

ive been wondering. if a new user is switching from windows, don't you think something like kde neon would have "less friction" UX wise ? i somewhat understand the appeal of pop os but gnome is wildly different from windows and i have seen people turn off.

I keep seeing this advice for windows users switching to Linux - that they "need" a DE that is incredibly similar to Windows in order to feel comfortable. However, I think that's really the wrong approach. You'll just end up making them go into that headspace where they expect/want linux to work exactly like windows. If they really wanted something that's just like windows, why would they even leave windows to begin with?

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by fosshogg »

The only thing I haven't liked about Pop!_OS in my two years of daily driving has been the name. I think they need to rebrand as 76OS or something a little more professional. But that's so subjective.

Oh and I hope they make a laptop with a trackpoint eventually! I know that's the one thing preventing me from making the switch to their HW.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by messo »

Delk wrote: post #135
messo wrote: post #45

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I have started installing Fedora on computers I set up for my family, and it has been great! Everything works out of the box and every app is avaliable in the app store thanks to Flatpaks. Skype is just a click away, which used to require adding extra repos from Microsoft. My father, who barely knows how to operate a computer, has been using it for years without the need for support. No forced updates/reboots. I only…

> My father, who barely knows how to operate a computer, has been using it for years without the need for support. How's this working with regard to discoverability? Asking out of general curiosity; I haven't supported anybody else with a Linux desktop in years, and I'm fine with Gnome for my own workflow and habits, but I've always wondered if the lack of always-visible app launchers or an obvious menu in stock Gnom…

> How's this working with regard to discoverability?

He quickly learned to use the super key or the upper left corner to go to the overview. He mainly uses the browser and the email app anyway so he does not multitask that much.

> If these are the only updates run on that computer, wouldn't that leave e.g. browsers unpatched for quite long periods of time?

Fedora has an option to auto-update apps on reboot (not sure if it is default or not). He does not reboot often, but it happens often enough that it stays reasonably up to date. The updates are seamless and not forced, so he never experience any interuptions.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #148
unixhero wrote: post #51

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Reminds me of the first rule of Arch Linux. Always tell other people you use Arch Linux.

Obligatory: https://github.com/overmighty/i-use-arch-btw

And don't forget to get an email address from https://iusear.ch/iusearch-mailbox.html

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by nybble41 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #70
ligerzer0 wrote: post #53

A bit of a sidenote: PopOS came installed on my system76 laptop. But that's not important here. What intrigues me more is that the laptop had terrible battery life. And I mean terrible by even 2010 standards. And I bought it in 2018. It would last less than an hour on average, and less than 40 minutes if I was doing something demanding. I use past term "had" as although I am still using this laptop today, somehow aft…

I have the same problem. Last time I researched system76, there were at least some models based on the same Clevo laptops as the one I have. I get 2 hours of battery life on these laptops. They have dedicated nvidia GPUs. Due to the poor state of proprietary nvidia drivers, there's no hybrid graphics support. The kernel can't turn the dedicated GPU off and switch to integrated graphics. So it just stays on at all tim…

I have a 14" System76 Gazelle running Debian with hybrid graphics through primus-vk-nvidia[0] and the proprietary drivers and I would say it works fairly well, albeit only after a substantial amount of trial-and-error with the configuration to make it stable. (Most notably, I blacklisted the bbswitch driver since it tended to cause lockups—the system seems to work just fine without it.) Most applications rely exclusively on the integrated Intel UHD Graphics 630 GPU but I can add a "pvkrun" prefix to any command to have it render on the discrete GTX 1660 Ti and copy the image data back to the iGPU for display. I haven't fully optimized the power consumption, but the driver for the NVIDIA card is unloaded when not in use so the discrete graphics should be completely idle.

I haven't used Pop!_OS much lately, but from what I remember at the time I received the system with Pop!_OS preinstalled there were options in the main menu (alongside shut down / reboot) to switch between integrated and discrete graphics. The change involved a system reboot, and there wasn't any support for hybrid graphics.

[0] https://packages.debian.org/sid/primus-vk-nvidia

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by graynk »

I've been using Pop OS as my daily driver for several years now on my desktop with Nvidia videocard. Never before have I experienced such a stable Linux distro.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by u2c4m6 »

skoskie wrote: post #139
lugged wrote: post #130

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Fedora and pop OS have been ahead of windows for a while. Personally also think Mac is going the way of windows, I have to use it for testing safari sometimes the OS is an absolute nightmare to use, always popping up asking for my password or fingerprint or some other password, or some other permission, it's just a whole bunch of antipatterns.

You are absolutely correct. I remember when I switched from Windows XP to Mac how much quieter it got. No more constant pop ups, and importantly, apps were not allowed to steal focus. Now there’s a constant stream of interruptions. I’m constantly having window focus stolen by others apps while I’m typing, constantly having notifications, and the UI has only gotten worse over the last few years. But damn if that hardw…

macOS 12 is better about interruptions because having different focus modes for work, personal, etc helps a lot. It is the same system on iOS 15 if you have an iPhone or iPad.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by riezebos »

nix23 wrote: post #93
unixhero wrote: post #51

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Reminds me of the first rule of Arch Linux. Always tell other people you use Arch Linux.

I use Arch (again) since 4 month...but just because of archinstall ;)

I tried that too yesterday! I wanted to try Gnome 41 so I used the gnome template in archinstall, but then afterwards I got in a big mess with NetworkManager vs. systemd-networkd and the docs said NetworkManager was included with the gnome group but then it wasn't and I wasn't sure what to disable/enable and couldn't install it until I set up wifi with systemd. Ended up installing Fedora 35 beta, so far I'm happy. The previous time I tried to install arch manually but I found out late in the process that I made a small mistake settings up something related to btrfs and luks and I didn't want to restart all over again. That part went great with archinstall.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by matheusmoreira »

nybble41 wrote: post #176
matheusmoreira wrote: post #70

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I have the same problem. Last time I researched system76, there were at least some models based on the same Clevo laptops as the one I have. I get 2 hours of battery life on these laptops. They have dedicated nvidia GPUs. Due to the poor state of proprietary nvidia drivers, there's no hybrid graphics support. The kernel can't turn the dedicated GPU off and switch to integrated graphics. So it just stays on at all tim…

I have a 14" System76 Gazelle running Debian with hybrid graphics through primus-vk-nvidia[0] and the proprietary drivers and I would say it works fairly well, albeit only after a substantial amount of trial-and-error with the configuration to make it stable. (Most notably, I blacklisted the bbswitch driver since it tended to cause lockups—the system seems to work just fine without it.) Most applications rely exclusi…

> primus-vk-nvidia

This is new to me! I'll try it out one of these days. Last time I dealt with this stuff bumblebee was still in use. There was also a hack to spawn a second hardware-accelerated X server.

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