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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by nsonha »

megous wrote: post #168
nsonha wrote: post #158

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Obviously you put the effort into the Arch one to set up everything with Nix, and didn't do that in Ubuntu. A fairer comparison would be "a system that's actually being used to do something" in just Arch to Ubuntu or Nix on both. I'm not a heavy linux user but I know 3 guys who use Arch at work and one of them had an upgrade issue that caused them half a day to fix, this was circa 2016. I know plenty of people who us…

> And I don't know if arch has this by default? What do you mean by default? :) Arch doesn't have an automated installer that does partitioning for you. You extract some files to whatever partitioning setup you've dreamed up for yourself, setup a bootloader and reboot.

You are the one who asked for default.

Ubuntu has that but I don't think most people use it either. I don't see any harm as an option for beginners. Not that it actually happened but my parents should be able to set up ubuntu because they don't need to partitition.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by e-v »

dudus wrote: post #114
reilly3000 wrote: post #71

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I’m a long time Ubuntu user and haven’t really shopped for other distros. Any recommendations besides Debian?

Manjaro seems pretty popular now. It's based in Arch with rolling releases and everything but gives a good experience out of the box while Arch is a full time job to maintain

> Arch is a full time job to maintain

I've never understood that sentiment. Are there things I don't know about I should be doing?

I installed Arch probably four years ago on my laptop, and have never had to do anything but install updates and read the announcements on archlinux.org since.

I do understand the appeal of Manjaro - I did use it briefly when it first came out - but I don't see how maintaining Arch Linux would appear as being particularly complicated. I literally don't do anything with it I wouldn't do with any other OS.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by kzrdude »

eecc wrote: post #108
vladev wrote: post #36

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You'll be surprised, but it's RedHat that made most of that happen. A lot of the important Linux projects are developed mostly by them - Gnome, Wayland, NetworkManager, Pipewire, flatpak, etc. Ubuntu, on the other hand, seem to like to do many things their way. Like aggressive patching. I recall fontconfig being heavily patched from upstream. Then we have Mir (now almost abandoned), Unity (abandoned), snap (flatpak,…

Well: * NetworkManager is a dumpster fire. * Wayland is 10 years in the making and it's still barely out of alpha and still missing crucial features such as fractional and consistent scaling. * Pipewire is a welcome attempt to mitigate another source of grief, Pulse Audio. * Gnome? Lets not get started... Please. RedHat has been a boon to the Linux community but it's lack of - how can I put it tactfully - design tast…

Well, Xorg is also missing fractional and consistent scaling - because there are many bugs with it

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by beermonster »

IshKebab wrote: post #153
beermonster wrote: post #84

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Check how many vulnerable packages they have against their stable release across all packages and how long until they’re fixed. It’s an eye opener.

I guess a few volunteers can't backport security fixes to all software in the world after all.

Indeed they can’t. So don’t depend on that.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by marcodiego »

"the most productive environment for cloud-native developers and AI/ML innovators across the desktop, devices and cloud."

Whoever wrote this phrase checked all the boxes in the buzzword list.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by schaefer »

vasergen wrote: post #53

My setup for last 3 years is Ubuntu with i3wm (gaps) and NIX as a package manager. I keep Ubuntu as it is, just upgrade OS packages from time to time. All custom setup goes to nix package manager. This way I have more flexibility there and up to date tools that I use. I have all dependencies in a repo, so can quickly spin-up the same desktop environment in another computer if needed, as an example I do it between my…

Any chance your repo is public? Care to share a URL? I'm just getting curious about Nix, and would love to see this specific use case in the wild.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by rbanffy »

michaelmrose wrote: post #132
nullspace wrote: post #54

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I get annoyed when I see posts like this with revisionist history. I can't comment on everything but: > Unity (abandoned) You probably don't recall how bad Gnome 3 was initially, and how much better Unity was over Gnome 2. Sure it also had its issues in the beginning, but it took a really long time for Gnome 3 to catch up. > snap (flatpak, done differently, not yet abandoned :). I am pretty sure flatpak didn't exist…

You are absolutely correct that Gnome 3.0 was bad. Even more importantly there isn't anything whatsoever inherently with going your own way. Doing so is ultimately how we end up with a useful marketplace of tools to pick from. If you stop worrying about the victimless crime of fragmentation neither gnome sucking or the specific sequence of development matters. For what its worth I think they date from around the same…

> It suggests perhaps that they should exercise better judgement.

I have a feeling many of these decisions are driven by internal politics than proper analysis. The first question when you decide to go your own way is whether others will find this more useful than the competition. Build better tools is not sufficient if you don’t invest in evangelising and great branding.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by dylan-m »

mdp2021 wrote: post #137
nullspace wrote: post #54

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I get annoyed when I see posts like this with revisionist history. I can't comment on everything but: > Unity (abandoned) You probably don't recall how bad Gnome 3 was initially, and how much better Unity was over Gnome 2. Sure it also had its issues in the beginning, but it took a really long time for Gnome 3 to catch up. > snap (flatpak, done differently, not yet abandoned :). I am pretty sure flatpak didn't exist…

> You probably don't recall how bad Gnome 3 was initially I do, and I have never seen its face again since then and the huge upsetting of ruining what worked well, and to create something perverse. And unless it was fixed very recently, it still is, because I just tried `gnome-font-viewer` and there are fades in the interface that cannot seem to be disabled. Unjustifiable. Not just the desktop manager: the paradigm.…

> there are fades in the interface that cannot seem to be disabled. Unjustifiable.

That's an accessibility option. GNOME Settings -> Accessibility -> Enable Animations; or `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations false`. Should apply everywhere.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by ihattendorf »

notatoad wrote: post #163
airstrike wrote: post #47

I loved Ubuntu around 2007-2009 or so. Nowdays it feels like there are plenty of alternative distros that "just work" without so many of the idiosyncratic stuff canonical keeps dumping into what used to be "debian for the masses" > As Linux evangelist Mark Pilgrim once quipped, Ubuntu "is an ancient African word meaning 'can't install Debian'". https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/16/debian_lenny_review/

Assuming I don't really give a crap about what mechanism is used to update Firefox, and just want a browser that works, what am I missing out on by sticking with Ubuntu? It's always been my OS of choice because I don't really care about my OS. Is there another distro that is similarly easy for me to get up and running With current versions of Firefox, chrome, vscode, and docker, and on whatever random hardware I happ…

I use Fedora personally for these exact reasons.
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