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> I feel this country makes it a bit too hard for legal residents to come with work visa, meanwhile I know people that got it much faster via 'fictive' marriages So true. I have been on a student visa for 8 years, and hence I am a non immigrant. I have the luxury of getting a working visa by a random lottery, with no regards to my skills as a PhD. And when I have that, I have the luxury of entering the 100 year long…
Immigration should be on a reciprocal basis. Americans should give Indians the right to live, work, and own property in the United States, in exchange for India giving Americans the right to live, work, and own property in India, both on an unrestricted basis.
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#172My wife and I made the decision of moving from Brazil a couple years before we moved. Even before the destination was chosen, I started working remotely for companies outside Brazil. We looked for countries that would take us that had a good political alignment, a decent social security system, and a thriving tech ecosystem. We ended up with Canada, Ireland, and Germany. We selected Toronto even though I am a Hungari…
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Well I could enumerate all the material things that are worse in Europe and better in the US (I have lived in the US enough time to have an informed opinion), but that would get old, and in the end it would miss the point, as I could just as well enumerate countless things which are better in Europe compared to US. The real issue (which causes all the above differences anyway) is cultural. What matters is not compari…
GA is huge in Europe. There are small airfields dotted all over Spain, France and Italy (probably elsewhere, I only have personal knowledge in those countries) and many aero clubs and communities operating. I suspect that in this, and in cheese, you may have found that a language barrier prevented you finding the information that you were seeking? Even then, the U.K. (still geographically part of Europe!) has a vibra…
And Cheese?! I'm not even in to cheese but my Instagram gets cheese posts because I follow some UK stuff. I don't know what this guy is on about.
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#174For reference, I’m from the Netherlands. I didn’t have any plans to emigrate until my friend introduced me to a small company in Japan that was looking for an engineer. I applied, but was rejected, so I thought that was that. Then a few months later I got another email. Their initial hire didn’t work out and now they wanted me to join. I worked remote for about a month while we got the visa process sorted (apparently…
Are you a software developer or the other (traditional engineering, like civil, mechanical, ...) kind of engineer?
>because there are no similarly well compensated IC positions in the Netherlands
>IC
Individual Contributor, I guess you mean
Do you mean that Japan pay is higher than NL pay for the same position?
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> I didn’t speak the language at all, but western civilization is oddly similar even if the details are different. Never heard Japan being referred to as part of western civilization before.
I was referring to a way of living, as opposed to civilizations in the west. According to the definition that seems wrong, but I can’t think of a better term. Daily life in Japan is practically similar to life in Europe. The rituals for buying food, going to restaurants, greeting one another. I’m not sure why I expected it to be different, but it wasn’t.
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Immigration should be on a reciprocal basis. Americans should give Indians the right to live, work, and own property in the United States, in exchange for India giving Americans the right to live, work, and own property in India, both on an unrestricted basis.
I'll disagree. No individual should ever be judged on the facets of life they don't control, like country of birth.
The novel idea was only to link openness to openness. Imagine the result of such a treaty: Assuming India would be happy to grant residency and work rights to all Americans, then all Indians would have those same rights in America. That would, in fact, be a radical elimination of the current restrictions!
In structure, it's actually a little like freedom of movement within the EU.
Put another way, the highway would become a lot wider -- but it'd have lanes in both directions.
This is a deal that the United States should offer not just to India, but to most countries.
The only "catch" is the two-way nature of it. But why would India have a problem with that? Many Indians want access to the US; India is a democracy; ergo it would happen, right? It would only not happen if Indians thought it more important to keep Americans out. But why would they do that?
* The only way to break the idea is to distinguish between each group of people and their government. And in fairness, I suppose many Americans would very much want to be distinguished from the Trump administration (and some now from Biden). And possibly some Indians from Modi? Thus, basing the decision about whether Person X should be allowed to immigrate to/from US/India on the basis of their Indian/US citizenship, rather than only on things entirely in Person X's control, does violate your principle somewhat, even if it does so in an equal/reciprocal way. E.g., there are people outside of either the US or India who would not benefit from the treaty.
Still, I like this idea of using the carrot of American citizenship to create similar and symmetrical benefits for Americans, in other countries. The unidirectional way we think about immigration only to America seems broken. The idea that Americans might want to go to India should also enter our imagination.
It's a little like "copyleft", in a way: You get access, and in exchange we get access. Optimistically, at some point everyone would enter this web of reciprocal arrangements. (Of course, "Brexit"s would still be possible...)
Well anyway, at least this creates a new direction outside of the standard, boring, "pro-" vs. "anti-" immigration debate. It's one that, in its way, is radically pro-immigration, but one which also insists that the process create more options for ordinary Americans (rather than only for American businesses).
I think this kind of quid pro quo might be capable of producing a nice equilibrium.
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So you have never actually lived in the US? Or any other country outside of your birth country? Believe me when I say that reality doesn’t match your expectations.
I have lived in the US for about 8 years of my life in total. I have lived in Austria (not my birth country) for 11 years.
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#178Co-founded a 2-person tech company in Korea while residing in the US. My co-founder is Korean living in Seoul. We started during the pandemic, with no capital, working remotely out of our homes. Now 18 months later we have modern offices in a tech district of Seoul, with 14 people working on multiple tech products and projects. I very much agree with the commenter who described the US as a third-world country, when c…
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#179Moved from the UK to France after the Brexit vote (the last chance to easily move my family to another country and have my kids grow up as Europeans with the ability to work and live in the EU country of their choice, access low cost or free university education etc.) I'm a contractor and felt reasonably sure I could find work as an android developer in most large cities - Paris is also close enough that if things re…
> with the ability to work and live in the EU country of their choice, I have to ask what is stopping someone in the UK from doing that post-Brexit? I imagine there's more paper-work, but that doesn't sound like a hardship? Feels extreme to move your whole family just to reduce the minor frictions. Glad it worked out for you though.
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I'll disagree. No individual should ever be judged on the facets of life they don't control, like country of birth.
It's a nice sentiment, and I'm not sure it really disagrees with what I was saying. What I said was that Americans and Indians should both be treated indistinguishably in both America and in India. That would agree with your sentiment, no?* The novel idea was only to link openness to openness. Imagine the result of such a treaty: Assuming India would be happy to grant residency and work rights to all Americans, then…
No, it does not align with my sentiment. I don't think an Indian should be differently treated than say an Australian based on not just their skin color, or what the Indian and Australian governments say or do, but also on them being indians or Australians. That's not a deliberate choice they made, and should not be a facet of having a different treatment for them.
Although, as you said, Indians would like India to give Americans easy access to India, but India might still not do it, because it wants to prevent brain drain.