What is the appeal of WebKit?
Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
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I moved from Safari to Firefox because if you're not using iCloud Keychain, the passwords Safari saves are not backed up properly with Time Machine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24626562 So I hope that, unlike Safari, Orion uses the Login rather than the Local Items keychain.
I am not sure your threat model, but Apple has no keys to decrypt iCloud Keychain entries.
If Apple wants to tell everyone that they have to use iCloud Keychain for their Time Machine backups to work, they can do that, but Time Machine backups shouldn't silently not work, only to be discovered when you've lost your data.
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
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For someone so enthusiastic in their dislike you sure as hell haven't looked very hard at how to turn those off :)
Actually I don't even bother using Safari at all because of crap like this. Should have been obvious that if i am looking for a privacy first alternative to Apple Safari, it is because I don't trust Apple.
If you don't trust Apple & you're running an Apple OS then surely Safari is the least of your concerns...
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
#174Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…
Hi there! Orion looks great and so far ticks all boxes for me. One thing I am wondering and that I don‘t see answered anywhere yet: Does/will it support PWAs both on iOS and MacOS?
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually I don't even bother using Safari at all because of crap like this. Should have been obvious that if i am looking for a privacy first alternative to Apple Safari, it is because I don't trust Apple.
If you don't trust Apple & you're running an Apple OS then surely Safari is the least of your concerns...
True. I am currently stuck with a Mac due to some proprietary apps. However, by using an older macOS, not using iCloud and with an application firewall blocking Apple softwares from the net, my personal data is relatively safe from Apple for now.
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
#176A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…
The new Safari tabs are so bad that I’m sure they can’t stay that way for long. I was hoping I would get used to the broken active tab highlighting, but after a few days I’m still clicking the wrong tabs in the tab bar. I can’t believe it.
You can disable them. I for one love the concept and hope they just refine it a little.
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
#177Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…
Hi there! Orion looks great and so far ticks all boxes for me. One thing I am wondering and that I don‘t see answered anywhere yet: Does/will it support PWAs both on iOS and MacOS?
In the same way Safari does (so it basically doesn't :) We can go into various reasons why is that the case but fundamentally we agree with that approach.
What we are planning to do though is have "Web apps" support, similar to Flotato [1], which will allow the user to achieve the same (or better) effect.
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
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Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.
Saying that a purposely Apple-only product has a con that it is Apple-only is like saying a vanilla ice cream has a con that it is not chocolate.
Hm, not exactly. I’m an enthusiastic Orion user and love how well it works on macOS, but very much don’t appreciate that I now have something locking me into it.
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> changes Apple made to Webkit that actually slightly cripples adblockers, like uBlock, from working effectively on it We already did that, uBlock Origin works on top of WebKit in Orion. Also, Orion is zero-telemetry by default to address your other concern. Fire up a network proxy when using Orion and you will be welcomed with a wall of silence.
That's really good to hear! But how it works is what matters as even Chrome still technically supports uBlock Origin but Blink has been modified to ensure that ad blockers like it can't work efficiently on it anymore. According to Raymond Hill, Firefox is the browser that currently works best with uBlock Origin. Does Orion's implementation match the feature parity of how uBlock Origin works with Firefox, going even b…
As far as we know, Raymond Hill did not test uBlock Origin in Orion yet, and when he does I hope he will be able to share the details of support with us.
Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi there! Orion looks great and so far ticks all boxes for me. One thing I am wondering and that I don‘t see answered anywhere yet: Does/will it support PWAs both on iOS and MacOS?
In the same way Safari does (so it basically doesn't :) We can go into various reasons why is that the case but fundamentally we agree with that approach. What we are planning to do though is have "Web apps" support, similar to Flotato [1], which will allow the user to achieve the same (or better) effect. [1] https://www.flotato.com/
Interesting! Would that also work on iOS or desktop only? I am asking because I would like to be able to have a seamless code-server experience on iPad.