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Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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I've read the whole thread and am absolutely surprised. Why is nobody telling about plex's ditching of their plugin system? Have invested a lot of time in developing plex's plugin for youtube, twitch, and my favorite streaming services, paid a lifetime fee to plex. And now the whole plugins system is disabled. That's the only reason why I've switched to Jellyfin. It's not better than plex. It's definitely worse, but…

> but it's open, and that's how I am sure it will work forever. Why are you so sure about it? IIRC Emby was also open sourced before it wasn't, at which point it was forked into Jellyfin. Based on that alone, I wouldn't be too surprised if Jellyfin pulls the same thing down the road, forcing you to move to yet another fork down the line.

The fact that emby was once open is the reason we have jellyfin today.

If jellyfin ever becomes closed, people can continue the project from the last open release.

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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It's a community project started after Emby became closed source. They have multiple contributors who don't assign copyright. They legally can't become closed source even if someone wanted to. No one owns the whole code.

Who’s going to sue someone taking it closed source?

How much does that matter to us?

Who's going to sue the rest of the developers who keep working on the open version we'd rather use?

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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No transcoding. Jellyfin simply running uses too much ram (like 10 times plex does) so pi runs out of memory and starts swapping.

Jellyfin runs on about 700-800MiB of RAM for me. It sounds like you're hitting a memory bug if you're running out of RAM just serving files, to be honest. I've never used Plex but I doubt it runs with just 70MiB. Perhaps it'll use much more RAM transcoding, but I'd still expect a dedicated 2GiB to be plenty for Jellyfin even in extreme cases. I doubt you'll get any decent transcoding speed out of ffmpeg if you need a…

HTOP says plex uses 100M

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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jellyfin is good but lots of bugs need help. "just being user" like me is not helping very much

It is not just about solving bugs, it is also about gaining mindshare. If a user comes to me and (politely) says "I want to use your product, but while issue X is not solved I will have to stay with your competitor", guess what will get prioritized in the backlog?

How are the ones who don't come to you contributing, though? You said merely using it is a huge contribution, but this example goes beyond just using it.

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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It's a community project started after Emby became closed source. They have multiple contributors who don't assign copyright. They legally can't become closed source even if someone wanted to. No one owns the whole code.

> They have multiple contributors who don't assign copyright. But that doesn't guarantee they wouldn't if Jellyfin approached them like "here's $X for writing this code". Or try hiring them from the start and asking them to sign a contract that transfers their copyright over to the company. Or maybe the contributors would tell them no, make a media fuss about it, and then Jellyfin's team could track down their commit…

It only takes one to refuse though.

Sure you can find and rewrite that person's contributions, but that person can also fork again.

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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Also check out funkwhale!

I want to say +1 for funkwhale, but I didn't get it to work with the subsonic client and haven't found yet a way to download/cache songs from my library on the phone. Have you figured this out?

Subsonic phone clients were kind of a crapshoot last I checked. Ultrasonic was the only one that kinda worked for me.

https://github.com/ultrasonic/ultrasonic

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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It is not just about solving bugs, it is also about gaining mindshare. If a user comes to me and (politely) says "I want to use your product, but while issue X is not solved I will have to stay with your competitor", guess what will get prioritized in the backlog?

How are the ones who don't come to you contributing, though? You said merely using it is a huge contribution, but this example goes beyond just using it.

The one that is using without contributing any feedback is at the very least not using the competitor.

If someone asks them "what are you using to solve problem X" and the answer involves my product, it's my product that gets exposed to another user, who might be interested in contributing...

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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post #129

I've read the whole thread and am absolutely surprised. Why is nobody telling about plex's ditching of their plugin system? Have invested a lot of time in developing plex's plugin for youtube, twitch, and my favorite streaming services, paid a lifetime fee to plex. And now the whole plugins system is disabled. That's the only reason why I've switched to Jellyfin. It's not better than plex. It's definitely worse, but…

> but it's open, and that's how I am sure it will work forever. Why are you so sure about it? IIRC Emby was also open sourced before it wasn't, at which point it was forked into Jellyfin. Based on that alone, I wouldn't be too surprised if Jellyfin pulls the same thing down the road, forcing you to move to yet another fork down the line.

> forcing you to move to yet another fork down the line.

And we will keep moving to other oss forks until they realize that closing the source down will mean that they will never get our business.

There are better ways to make money than bait-and-switching with the licensing. It's not my responsibility to keep them working if what they are offering goes against what I value as a consumer.

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

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I consistently argue that the issue with Plex is not income, but desperately attempting to rebrand as a “legitimate” media centre. Look at the marketing materials and features from the last few years: Specifically trying to avoid any thought of pirated content.

> I consistently argue that the issue with Plex is not income, but desperately attempting to rebrand as a “legitimate” media centre. If they are low on income due to non-recurring life-time purchases (which I have made myself), and the streaming thingies offered is a income-driver... I say it's both. > Look at the marketing materials and features from the last few years: Specifically trying to avoid any thought of pi…

> In my jurisdiction none of this is illegal, and using Plex to manage that media makes managing that media-collection so much better. Why everyone assumes Plex can only be used for pirated contents beats me.

This is a great point, and part of what I feel has been the core of the issue with Plex. Back when it started, they argued publicly that serving your own purchased content for personal use was morally (and should be legally) right. Yes, there were always people who shared things illegally using Plex (and sometimes on a large scale), but Plex themselves continued to work with the goal of letting people consume their own format-shifted content. Absolutely people still do it, but it's clear that Plex is no longer working for those people or working with that ability as a goal.

Re: Jellyfin: Free Software Media System

#180

This is very nice, but still misses photos organiser. I wish I could have a photo viewer where I could specify a location, and it would show me all photos in folder view, and timeline of all photos in all folders and subfolders...

I'll be adding reverse geocoding in a version soon [1], but you can already browse by filesystem and timeline (and by camera, lens, file type, keyword, and Google Takeout metadata): https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/

(I'm the founder and solo author)

[1] https://forum.photostructure.com/t/support-reverse-geocoding...

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