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Mossad assassinated Iran’s chief nuke scientist with remote AI gun – report

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Post by dogma1138 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #143
dogma1138 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MAD can still be effective if you say any non conventional attack by any actor would trigger it. That said MAD in this case isn’t viable due to the inequality in geographic size and population. A single warhead even a small one would cripple Israel complete whilst Iran can take multiple warheads and survive. A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing.

>A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing. At which point America would step in.

It wouldn’t change the outcome.

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Post by dogma1138 »

joelbluminator wrote: post #149
dogma1138 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MAD can still be effective if you say any non conventional attack by any actor would trigger it. That said MAD in this case isn’t viable due to the inequality in geographic size and population. A single warhead even a small one would cripple Israel complete whilst Iran can take multiple warheads and survive. A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing.

It's really unlikely a nuke on TLV will be reciprocated with one nuke of the same exact magnitute on Iran; it's more likely Israel will use everything it has to destroy Iran. Tehran's larger metro area is 15 million people with most of the economy and jobs there. What do you think a few hydrogen bombs (which Israel is known to have) will do to Iran's economy or regime survival? It's mutually assured destruction, peri…

It’s really unclear if Israel has thermonuclear warheads, or even how many warheads they have in general.

Their delivery systems are quite limited. Their submarines wouldn’t be able to deliver anything larger than a tactical implosion warhead since even the enlarged torpedo tubes that are capable of launching cruise missiles like the Popeye can’t launch ballistic missiles.

Their ballistic missiles based on the Shavit launcher would be possibly capable of carrying about half a ton which is arguably too small for thermonuclear warheads too, especially ones that Israel would be able to produce since it’s unlikely they would be able to produce something as compact as the W88.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

kingofpandora wrote: post #169
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes

I think that's naive of you.

I think you're fishing for things that fit your narrative. The fact is that they did apologize, admit a mistake, and did not lie. Your hypothetical is irrelevant.

Your question was loaded but I answered it anyway- shame on me I guess.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

29athrowaway wrote: post #168
refurb wrote: post #164

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Let’s say I break a law and the ICJ decides to prosecute me. Who comes after me?

There's also ICC and INTERPOL, which are not part of the UN. INTERPOL does come after you. There are also extradition treaties.

Quite a few countries, including the US, do not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_Internatio...

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

dogma1138 wrote: post #171
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing. At which point America would step in.

It wouldn’t change the outcome.

It would for Iran.

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Post by [deleted] »

dogma1138 wrote: post #172
joelbluminator wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really unlikely a nuke on TLV will be reciprocated with one nuke of the same exact magnitute on Iran; it's more likely Israel will use everything it has to destroy Iran. Tehran's larger metro area is 15 million people with most of the economy and jobs there. What do you think a few hydrogen bombs (which Israel is known to have) will do to Iran's economy or regime survival? It's mutually assured destruction, peri…

It’s really unclear if Israel has thermonuclear warheads, or even how many warheads they have in general. Their delivery systems are quite limited. Their submarines wouldn’t be able to deliver anything larger than a tactical implosion warhead since even the enlarged torpedo tubes that are capable of launching cruise missiles like the Popeye can’t launch ballistic missiles. Their ballistic missiles based on the Shavit…

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Re: Mossad assassinated Iran’s chief nuke scientist with remote AI gun – report

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Post by joelbluminator »

dogma1138 wrote: post #172
joelbluminator wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really unlikely a nuke on TLV will be reciprocated with one nuke of the same exact magnitute on Iran; it's more likely Israel will use everything it has to destroy Iran. Tehran's larger metro area is 15 million people with most of the economy and jobs there. What do you think a few hydrogen bombs (which Israel is known to have) will do to Iran's economy or regime survival? It's mutually assured destruction, peri…

It’s really unclear if Israel has thermonuclear warheads, or even how many warheads they have in general. Their delivery systems are quite limited. Their submarines wouldn’t be able to deliver anything larger than a tactical implosion warhead since even the enlarged torpedo tubes that are capable of launching cruise missiles like the Popeye can’t launch ballistic missiles. Their ballistic missiles based on the Shavit…

> It’s really unclear if Israel has thermonuclear warheads, or even how many warheads they have in general.

Israel has had nukes (reportedly) since 1967. Thats a 52 years (and counting) before Iran. Anything from delivery to the weapons force will be much better on the Israeli side. Trying to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon hoping somehow Israel has no way to retaliate is simply suicide.

This whole scenario was researched btw and anyone with half a brain could see it would be devastating to both countries, which to me at least sounds unsurprising. https://conflictandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186...

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Post by refurb »

29athrowaway wrote: post #168
refurb wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s say I break a law and the ICJ decides to prosecute me. Who comes after me?

There's also ICC and INTERPOL, which are not part of the UN. INTERPOL does come after you. There are also extradition treaties.

ICC and INTERPOL both rely on member countries to actually enforce decisions. There is no ICC or INTERPOL “enforcement arm”.

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Post by xyzzy21 »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #60
JackFr wrote: post #49

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According to NYT article the AI was used to compensate for the movement of the truck from the guns recoil and the 1.5 second round trip latency to the operator. Again according to the NYT what was astonishing was the accuracy. Fifteen rounds were shot and no one other than the target was injured. Of course, take it all with a grain of salt, as both Iran and Israel have reasons to lie about what actually went down. Is…

Don't really know how to feel about this. On one hand, it could mean less collateral damage and fewer civilian casualties than drone strikes. Just yesterday, the US had a drone strike that killed 10 civilians. The military and administration proceeded to lie about the strike and pretend they hit the target, but they were called out by the NY Times and had to backtrack. We could see fewer civilian deaths with technolo…

The issue with "high precision weapons" is that it merely eliminates the chances of aiming at a target and not destroying it.

However, then the question is: "is it even the 'correct' target?"

The recent "ISIS-K" that turned out to be an innocent aid worker and his family is exactly how this can work wrongly: the weak link isn't the weapon; it's the targeting process that can be imprecise and inaccurate. A human process primarily. Are the rules of engagement correct? If not innocents get killed. What is the intelligence source? How is it analyzed? What cross referencing is used? How accurate are sensors and the matching to the target? Etc. Etc.

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Post by afroboy »

refurb wrote: post #162
popileviz wrote: post #56

Iran should have nuclear weapons if their citizens can be assassinated by foreign powers that proceed to brag about it openly. Imagine if the reverse happened - an Israeli scientist killed by Iranian special forces. The United States would be revving up for Iraq 2.0 in a matter of hours.

You left out Iran’s multiple statements about “pushing the Jews into the sea”. It’s not like Israel is attacking Iran for shits and giggles. And being a country of 9M surrounded by hostile powers means you make yourself appear as threatening as possible.

Where did Israel come from?
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