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Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #130
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #66

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I've never understood why people complain so much about the environmental impact of AirPods. I mean it would be great if they were rechargeable and recyclable etc - but they weigh 4g - about 1/50 of a pair of headphones. If the average person uses them for 2 years they'll be a drop in the ocean to the tens or hundreds of kilos of plastic and other objects they don't recycle fully in that time.

I got curious, and did some back of the envelope mathematics / Fermi estimation. > Analysts estimate Apple sold between 14 million and 16 million AirPods in 2017.[38] In 2018, AirPods were Apple's most popular accessory product, with 35 million units sold.[39][40] 60 million units were sold in 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPods In 2020, another 114 million units were sold. https://www.businessofapps.com/data…

It’s negligible in relation to the huge amount of other disposable plastics that exist in peoples lives.

It’s about equivalent to a weeks worth of plastic Starbucks cups every morning and far less than the packaging on a average shopping trip.

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by thehappypm »

satronaut wrote: post #166
thehappypm wrote: post #164

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Ah yes, cryptonomist.ch. Such a reliable, and unbiased source!

do you have a metric for what is reliable and unbiased? Any time I see an article on Bitcoin or altcoins on a MSM page its factually incorrect and heavily biased. Also, can you provide an article showing that Bitcoin is used for "tons" (whatever percentage tons means) of illegal activity?

I think I’ll flip it around. Knowing that every major ransom ware attack in the last year has used Bitcoin, have there been any meaningful legal uses? Has anyone bought a pizza?

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by dang »

hbag wrote: post #117
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #114

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My favourite benefit of Bitcoin is bypassing the hideously inefficient and corrupt Wall Street financial vampiric system that provided the world with the Global Financial Crisis for which it suffered the punishment of being given billions of dollars by the US Government. Each to their own I guess.

yeah im sure accelerating the planet turning into an uninhabitable wasteland is really worth it just to stick it to the man, you fucking troglodyte

Attacking another user like this (edit: and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28567074 - yikes!) will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. Whether or not you owe that person better, you definitely owe this community better if you're posting to it—much better. So no more of this, please—we're trying to have an internet forum that doesn't burn itself to a crisp.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by dang »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #118
hbag wrote: post #117

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yeah im sure accelerating the planet turning into an uninhabitable wasteland is really worth it just to stick it to the man, you fucking troglodyte

Please get some perspective. Read more actual facts and data from various different angles, you've obviously dived deep into one side with little consideration for any other. You give me the kind opportunity to quote a favourite lyric of mine: The do-er and the thinker: no allowance for the other Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull[0] [0]: http://www.collecting-tull.com/Albums/Lyrics/ThickAsABrick.h...

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That's exactly the opposite of what we want here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

maccolgan wrote: post #121
hbag wrote: post #117

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yeah im sure accelerating the planet turning into an uninhabitable wasteland is really worth it just to stick it to the man, you fucking troglodyte

Yes it is.

Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. It's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by satronaut »

thehappypm wrote: post #172
satronaut wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you have a metric for what is reliable and unbiased? Any time I see an article on Bitcoin or altcoins on a MSM page its factually incorrect and heavily biased. Also, can you provide an article showing that Bitcoin is used for "tons" (whatever percentage tons means) of illegal activity?

I think I’ll flip it around. Knowing that every major ransom ware attack in the last year has used Bitcoin, have there been any meaningful legal uses? Has anyone bought a pizza?

Where's your source for that? Is there a metric to define a ransomware attack as "major", and a verifiable list to show the amount and means of payment?

Bitcoin is used daily for remittance payments, which is huge since it's way cheaper than sending money through western mutual

There's also Bitcoin Beach in El Salvador which is a bitcoin only circular economy

Paxful provides a service for people to trade gift cards for Bitcoin

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #64
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #19

Completely pales next to something as egregious as disposable tech that sells in the millions and only has a lifespan of 2 years tops like AirPods. They will still be washing up on beaches 100 years after every single person involved in their design has passed. Whole electronics industry needs to take this stuff more seriously, we need more replaceable batteries and storage, right to repair on a global level and laws…

Someone points out a legitimate problem with something, and the "response" is to point out a "bigger" problem with something else. Its not a response, its a misdirection. Changing the subject doesnt work. We have seen this "response" so many times that its laughable. Its like a person who owns large number of shares of Company X and everytime someone brings up the serious problems at Company X she tries to change the…

Without context no arguments about the environment or waste matter at all. The context is extremely important otherwise we end up replacing something moderately bad for the environment with something even worse.

E.g we replace plastic bags with tote bags but a tote bag must be used over 130 times to make it better than a single use plastic bag.

With your thought we wouldn't even be able to compare the two because you're not interested in the actual reality of these issues.

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