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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by orthecreedence »

_xy8h wrote: post #90
Wavelets wrote: post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

Windows 10 was what pushed me to start using Linux full time. It just broke me, how nonsensical it was. Going through several layers of new UI style sidebars, submenu items just to end up... in classic Control Panel with configuration elements divided up between new and old? Windows still has an insanely convoluted installation process whereas Ubuntu boots straight into a usable desktop from installation medium and h…

> Windows honestly needs to be burnt to the ground and redone from scratch before I'll consider using it again.

Preferably without requiring a LiveID and all the idiotic "Send to Grandparents" social media features. I want something to run programs and games, not a Facebook wannabe that tracks my every eye movement to show me more relevant ads or suggests content. If I want news and ads, I'll open a fucking browser (like that's not bad enough already).

I lived with Windows 10 for a few years, but eventually got tired of every update reverting my privacy and update settings. Jumped ship to linux and haven't looked back once.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jarjoura »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

This sounds good in theory, but when Microsoft did just that in 2011 with Windows 8, it ended up backfiring on them big time.

It's pretty clear Windows has organizational and structural problems. Mainly because every product they release is always only 80% there. For some reason, whatever it is, it gets mostly finished, shipped and then abandoned and moved into maintenance mode.

Yet, it works for them. They usually always win in whatever market they go after. So I can't say they are incentivized to fix those structural problems.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by prox »

hughrr wrote: post #130
nunez wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. Windows Classic was perfect. Fast, functional, and extremely easy to learn.

Yeah if they gave me a high DPI Windows 11 classic theme without telemetry and some actual quality control I’d be all over it. My mother also agrees with me on this. She’s been progressively hating Windows more every release too.

Looks like the “every odd release is terrible” tradition is still strong in Microsoft.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ineedasername »

I'm reluctant purely on the basis of MS's track record of every second version since Win '98 being crap:

Win 98: good

Win ME: bad

Win XP: good

Win Vista: bad

Win 7: good

Win 8: bad

Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number

Win 10: good

Win 11: I'm not optimistic. 20+ years predict for badness.

I'll wait until either 1) proven wrong or 2) Win 10 is EOL'ed. I just upgraded, but if I need a new system & it comes with Win 11 then I'll just wipe it out and install 10.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by grishka »

hulitu wrote: post #103
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

Google has not yet learned.

I mean Android 12... Some project manager wanted a promotion this desperately.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by gpvos »

Paianni wrote: post #149
jnsaff2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

Eh, I don't agree. NT 3.51 — solid NT 4.0, 2000 & XP — less, less and less solid Vista — premature 7 — ok 8 — borked 10 & 11 — untouchable

2000 was pretty good really, more solid than 3.51 even

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by pjmlp »

0-_-0 wrote: post #155
pjmlp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also one that has big chunks of C++ and Rust code, and WebGL based rendering to make it actually usable.

Oh you can do that with Electron? This is not my area of expertise... Are there any other ways to have GPU acceleration?

Here how WebGL is used for the terminal in VSCode,

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/85971

Or how Rust is used for search via ripgrep.

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-ripgrep

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ineedasername »

userbinator wrote: post #26
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

I hate the UI after Win 7. For years all users that needed to dig into setting knew exactly where they were. Now they expose some through a clunky UI and you have to go digging for that that are, in fact, just the same old UI. Which has to create confusion for many users presented with their new UI only to be thrown into a totally different UI style.

The new UI should 1) actually expose all of the settings and 2) offer a toggle to default to the UI that sits behind everything anyway.

Otherwise, I just don't understand the need to tweak with UI design that roughly 20 years of Windows users have already learned.

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