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YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by roughly »

Aunche wrote: post #151
rsa4046 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

David Graeber has argued persuasively that there is little real anthropological evidence to support the notion that money arose from the ‘inefficiency of barter’. [1—3] 1. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-on-the... . 2. https://newrepublic.com/article/159227/david-graeber-changed... 3. Graeber D. 2011. ‘Debt: The First 5000 Years'. Melville House, NY

This just shows that economists are poor historians. It doesn't change how money enables more efficient and sophisticated forms of commerce than than barter or a credit social credit system.

> This just shows that economists are poor historians

F*ck me, if that's the only thing you take away from this thread I'll have done my job. The problem is they keep taking that poor history and using it to spin tales about humans as greed-stricken robots who'd sell their grandmas if it would generate a dollar more value than whatever you want to price a plate of fresh-baked cookies at, and the bigger problem is we've built an entire society and economy off their collective delusions.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by makeitdouble »

pphysch wrote: post #107
phendrenad2 wrote: post #49

In previous years, we'd look at stodgy bureaucratic systems like this and think "Just wait until Google and/or venture capital disrupts them!" But now it is Google and venture capital perpetuating the slow, banal, bureaucratic injustice. The good news is, there's no reason to believe that Google won't also be disrupted eventually. It's sort of happening already, with people voluntarily deciding to not use music in th…

Does Google actually gain anything from enforcing IP, or is it they stand to lose lots by getting persecuted by the powerful IP lobby (Disney, etc), which is the real driver of all this?

I'd assume them being very cooperative with rights holders makes it a lot more difficult for other companies to enter the market and disrupt them.

If tomorrow you come with an alternative that pleases customers but irks IP lobbies, you'll be fighting that battle alone while Youtube continues business as usual. Today the only alternative is pirating related, and it is notoriously a tough business model now that financial system players can just cut offending companies off their network.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by howaboutnope »

jchw wrote: post #162
anigbrowl wrote: post #155

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I missed the evidence of them having fought the battle. How do I file notice with Youtube of public domain or fair use assertion with regard to a video I'm uploading?

Viacom International Inc. v. YouTube, Inc.

That's not the "battle" for allowing users to tag Public Domain content, and to have moderators confirm that status where it applies in the case of legal disputes, because they never even fought that "battle".

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by EvanAnderson »

razwall wrote: post #168
EvanAnderson wrote: post #52

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It's also galling that this recording was made under a copyright regime that granted substantially shorter federal copyright terms and required renewal to achieve the maximum term. Creators, at that time, knew "the deal" and accepted it. The intellectual commons has been (and is), literally, subject to "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." scenarios. That shouldn't have ever been acceptable. Si…

What you say is mostly true, but in the case of sound recordings from before 1972, it's actually the opposite. At the time such recordings were made, they were subject to an infinite copyright term! The Music Modernization Act [1] passed in 2018 to put a finite life on those copyrights. As a result, all sound recordings from before 1923 become public domain this January. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modern…

That's why I qualified re: "federal copyright". Copyright of old sound recordings was a terrible mess for a long time.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by chuckee »

razwall wrote: post #168
EvanAnderson wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also galling that this recording was made under a copyright regime that granted substantially shorter federal copyright terms and required renewal to achieve the maximum term. Creators, at that time, knew "the deal" and accepted it. The intellectual commons has been (and is), literally, subject to "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." scenarios. That shouldn't have ever been acceptable. Si…

What you say is mostly true, but in the case of sound recordings from before 1972, it's actually the opposite. At the time such recordings were made, they were subject to an infinite copyright term! The Music Modernization Act [1] passed in 2018 to put a finite life on those copyrights. As a result, all sound recordings from before 1923 become public domain this January. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modern…

> they were subject to an infinite copyright term!

If so, that law was unconstitutional:

"[the United States Congress shall have power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

amelius wrote: post #78
NKosmatos wrote: post #74

This phrase right here is what’s wrong with all major sites/networks/apps/services >>> “We have so far been unable to find a human at YouTube who can fix that.” Replace YouTube with Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Google and it pretty much sums up the problem of moderation or human decision. This can be solved very easily by these big corporations, by using some of the millions they have as profit, by hiring more people wh…

> by hiring more people who will take the results of the algorithms and have a second look at all appeals by using common sense Who wants to work for these companies anymore?

H1B seekers. But that is a whole can of worms.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by thaumasiotes »

jchw wrote: post #108
anigbrowl wrote: post #92

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YouTube isn't a scrappy little startup with no resources left over after keeping the servers up and running 24-7. They absolutely have the talent, capital, and legal resources to innovate in this area and to assess things like public domain claims. The concept of public domain resources is not a difficult one, you don't need special legal training or advanced math to understand the idea that copyright expires and tha…

I don’t think it can be made clearer: YouTube fought the battle and lost. This is the compromise. Sure, they aren’t a scrappy little startup. Can anyone please propose what they’re supposed to do after losing the lawsuit?

> I don’t think it can be made clearer: YouTube fought the battle and lost.

Oh? When did that happen?

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