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Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #156

whatshisface wrote: post #137

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Let's not overestimate the critical thinking skill advantage separating journalists from other people. I can check the citations as well as any editor, sometimes better because I know some things about math and have no reason to be biased. When there's no scene to be at with a camera and nobody is getting interviewed, I just don't see what the media has to add. Spending years pouring over account records? Interviewin…

Most journalists nowadays seem pretty gullible and hard set on their preconceived world views. I fail to see any advantage in critical thinking skills on the media class.

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Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by annadane » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #110

Huh, never thought I’d see XCheck in a news article. I used to work at Facebook and spotted abuse of this system by bad actors and partly fixed it. It’s still not perfect but it’s better than it used to be. I think I might have agreed with the author of this article before working in Integrity for a few years. But with time I learned that any system that’s meant to work for millions of users will have some edge cases…

The problem seems to be though, that while the company may have tools to detect abuse, if they're choosing selectively when to enforce things it defeats the entire point

Edit: downvotes from shills

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by smsm42 » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #146

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

Clearly we need to setup the Social Media Agency and regulate them. We'll staff the agency with high level political appointments comprised entirely of Twitter and Facebook executives. Works for the FDA, anyway.

The scary thing is now this is one step from the government policy. And in some countries, it's already becoming the government policy.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by jdavis703 » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

metalliqaz wrote: post #98

cratermoon wrote: post #80

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Further, why do we continue to accept the fiction that rules and laws apply to the elite as for the masses? Even the not-so-elite, the Stanford swimmer who brutally raped and assaulted Chanel Miller, though convicted, was given light sentence because of his "bright future", according to the judge.

Is there anyone walking around that actually believes that rules and laws apply to the elite? Some seem to think that the reason this is excused is because (in the US at least) every poor schmuck seem to think they they will be rich and powerful someday and get to partake. I've never found that very credible, but smarter people than me seem to think so.

Yes. Donald Trump was impeached twice and has an unknown number of civil and criminal investigations ongoing. If a billionaire and the leader of a major political party is in this much trouble, it kind of shows that elites do get in trouble.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by retro64 » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

davidkellis wrote: post #85

throwawayboise wrote: post #69

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I put all of the companies you name in pretty much the same basket, and avoid them as much as I can. I don't shop on Amazon, I don't use Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter. I don't use Apple products. I do use Android and Google Docs/Drive/Mail but my next phone will probably be an open one and I could drop the GSuite stuff without too much pain, mostly laziness that I haven't already.

I'm in the same boat. Trying my best to de-FAANG my life. Self hosting as much as possible, with as little management overhead as possible, but I'm still stuck on Android and I don't know how to break free.

Flip phone. People laugh at mine, whatever. Honestly though I use a flip because it does what I need and it's tough as nails.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by atkailash » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #18

I don't understand the way their enforcement works. I've reported videos of people literally setting live animals on fire and been told there was no violation, but my wife called someone a "loser" and got a week long ban.

I was in Facebook jail for “bullying” someone when I took his exact phrasing, changed relevant details and applied it to him.

I reported 9 comments misgendering a trans person and none of them were considered against community standards, supposedly.

It’s ridiculous

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by otterley » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #110

Huh, never thought I’d see XCheck in a news article. I used to work at Facebook and spotted abuse of this system by bad actors and partly fixed it. It’s still not perfect but it’s better than it used to be. I think I might have agreed with the author of this article before working in Integrity for a few years. But with time I learned that any system that’s meant to work for millions of users will have some edge cases…

You haven’t really touched on the main problem discussed in the article, which is that to Facebook, there are special users - mainly celebrities and politicians - who get to play by different rules than the rest of us. Social media was supposed to help level the playing field of society, not exacerbate its inequalities.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by reayn » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

mtnGoat wrote: post #83

gordon_freeman wrote: post #51

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I don't want to do victim blaming or shaming here but why would you use any fb product knowing well about their awful business practices like these?

Fair and valid question. I got rid of Facebook over a year ago but still use IG, but I cringe when I do. Sadly I’m happy I left Facebook but I will admit I’ve missed a lot of news and events in friends personal lives. A good friends mom, whom I was very fond of, passed away and I learned about it months later. Another friend had a fast growing tumor and I missed that news and never got a last phone call with him. Bot…

I've been a social media hermit for basically my entire life so far but folded in and installed IG a couple weeks ago once I entered university. It's sadly just the norm. Telling someone my age to "just not use social media" seems like a boomer's shriek, and almost every club or association manages does all its' event coordination and stuff over IG.

It's extremely hard to get by, keep up with people, or even make friends without it.

The same could also be said for Discord as well, which I've seen over the past 4-5 years grow from a gamer-exclusive chat platform to what is probably the #1 choice for students nowadays for group interactions.

As far as we've come though I still think these kinds of things are still in their infancy when it comes to their impact on us as a society, so I guess the best thing to do is just wait and see what happens.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by ithacaman » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #80

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

Further, why do we continue to accept the fiction that rules and laws apply to the elite as for the masses? Even the not-so-elite, the Stanford swimmer who brutally raped and assaulted Chanel Miller, though convicted, was given light sentence because of his "bright future", according to the judge.

There are quite a few people who really, really want the caste system implemented in the US. Extreme class disparity embedded into our justice system. We understate these efforts at our peril.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by huijzer » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:16 PM UTC

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

I can only guess why, but I do know that it’s not new. For example, around 1920, journalists were praising Hershey town as a town without crime even though the town had many incidents (Michael D‘Antonio).