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Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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yes, if obesity were contagious.

If only vaccines were to prevent covid spread. 'CDC: COVID-19 Vaccines 66% Effective Against Delta Variant'. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021082...

What point are you trying to make? And why do you think a link to a single study without explanation would prove any point whatsoever?

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Isn't the vaccination rate of healthcare worker only about 60%? If the reasons are strictly misinformation, then it seems you have an almost 40% chance of getting an incompetent healthcare professional. In my mind, that suggests there are rational and reasonable reasons, since I find that more likely than 40% being blatantly incompetent.

96% of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated [1]. That number goes way down as you look at nursing home aids, nurses, and home aids. If the argument is that healthcare workers not taking it makes it rational and reasonable, you need to contend with the fact that the more educated you are in medicine, the less hesitant you are. It seems more likely that nurses and aids can't interprete dense medicalese or underst…

It could be that they are in higher risk demographics too. Only 7% were under 35, with the majority of the 300 or so being over 50. That greatly changes the risk/benefit equation. Although I think your generalization is probably accurate to some degree.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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A new vaccine. Rushed to market. Pushed upon us before it was even approved. Then rushed to approval. That's strange. I need to get this vaccine, not to protect myself, but to protect you. That's strange. That's 2 strange things in a row. When you see 2 strange things in a row like that, it smells fishy.

> I need to get this vaccine, not to protect myself, but to protect you.

> That's strange.

Can you elaborate? Not sure I get it.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Isn't this an unnecessary medical procedure for people who have already recovered?

Yes indeed. In fact vaccine studies generally exclude people who have already recovered so we are literally flying blind for these people. If there is no exemption then here are two middle fingers for whoever thinks this is a good idea.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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What about the long term safety data on catching / surviving COVID itself? Long COVID seems to affect between 10-30% of people who catch COVID. Why do I never hear anti-vaxxers being concerned about that?

Because its mostly undefined what long-covid even means. In the worst cases it means organ damage, but Ill bet you anything those are not anywhere near 10-30% of cases. More likely people randomly feel like shit for a while sometimes, like every other year in my adult life.

Which is exactly my point - we don't know what or how prevalent the long term effects of COVID are.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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No, the unvaccinated population, where the virus keeps being replicated, breeds variants of all kinds; the vaccinated population applies selection pressure that favors vaccine resistance. If the entire population is vaccinated variants would not emerge at all because the virus would not spread from person to person (and would eventually disappear from the population).

Sadly, the ZeroCovid ship has sailed. Vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission (1). All vaccines appear to do is to (hopefully) dull the severity of the infection once you've got it. Plus now we have animal reservoirs, and no way to vaccinate those. Edit: (1) Obviously we should talk about the degree of infection and transmission reduced by vaccines, and not in black/white terms. I haven't seen conclusive da…

Please stop spreading disinformation. Vaccines have been shown in many, many studies to reduce the spread of COVID-19.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Isn't this an unnecessary medical procedure for people who have already recovered?

Maybe. Vaccines generate a very predictable immune response. Natural recover results in a wide array of different immune responses, some of which are very weak and leave people susceptible to re-infection.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Because we know that natural immunity only lasts 6 months and vaccination immunity lasts like 8 months (for Pfizer at least. Moderna probably a little bit longer, unsure how much longer though). Either way, you need a round to re-up your immune system. A lot of these Delta cases are "breakthroughs", in vaccinated populations... or reinfections (ie: in already infected populations) For example: South Dakota was someth…

Natural immunity doesn’t only last 6 months. Where did you get that? I’m coming out of my second COVID infection now. Long story short, I was in the local hospital and the fact that this was my second infection caused a really big hubbub in the COVID ward and a nurse told me I was the first reinfection she has seen.

> Natural immunity doesn’t only last 6 months. Where did you get that?

> I’m coming out of my second COVID infection now.

I know I'm using anecdote here. Coincidently it is the same one.

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos: It's a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters. I can't think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party's platform. Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?

Most of the "doubters" on Fox News had their vaccinations already. Why wouldn't it be the same for doubters in government?

Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

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Your vaccine does not work unless someone or everyone else has one? Has this been observed with previous vaccine products?

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_dise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity Do not think in terms of "your vaccine," because vaccines are about preventing the spread of a disease within a population.

The Delta variant is so contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect. So I would encourage everyone to get vaccinated to protect themselves.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

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