Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse • Hacker News Board

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#171

Post by CameronNemo » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

HexbearShill wrote: post #157

capableweb wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed this seems to be the main cause for them to recommend either Docker or Ansible. This is what the notice ( https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/from_scratch.h... ) actually says: > Disclaimer: this installation method is not recommended by the Lemmy developers. If you have any problems, you need to solve them yourself or ask the respective authors. If you notice any Lemmy bugs on an instance installed…

Theoretically, you could run a web server and database both written in rust and have your entire dependency stack contained within cargo. Literally deployment with a single `cargo build` and just a couple weeks of build time

Sure, which is what the conduit Matrix server does. But at a certain point people will likely want a resilient database.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#172

Post by HexbearShill » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

chromatin wrote: post #133

Tmpod wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it is going away soon(tm): https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1773

That is a nice to see after reading several past issues and a closed unmerged PR where innumerable users and (presumably) instance hosts made good faith arguments as to why a hard coded Regex was not only untenable , but antithetical to the ideals of the fediverse — which fell on deaf ears of the developers.

The maintainers can be pretty ruthless about closing issues. I think it’s either about their workflow or about maintaining focus for the main branch’s feature set. Last I knew the core team was two people and maintaining a repo with an increasingly large number of contributors can be super time consuming.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#173

Post by spzb » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:41 PM UTC

debdut wrote: post #126

I liked it but then I went to the Server's page and saw it's filled with Communist symbols, got terrified and closed it :(

And then this comment got posted on the Lemmy site and the circle was completed https://lemmygrad.ml/post/33925

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#174

Post by StellarTabi » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

> retalk

> Civil discussion for the center and center right

> Karl Marx: Atheist or Satanist?

> Candace Owens

> transphobic comic

> no links to github/gitlab

is this what passes for "civil discussion" and "center/center right" these days?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#175

Post by stevenicr » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:50 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #97

reginold wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what "don't allow anyone to federate with the main instance" means in this case? Is it like you can host your own server, but the "index" of servers at lenny.ml won't list you unless you meet their standards? Seems acceptable to me (anyone else can host their own index right?) just trying to understand.

Yes it’s like that. Mastodon has the same thing going on, where the main index from their official site and the biggest instances won’t peer with you (let your users and theirs interact in each other’s instances) unless you implement their rules and moderation requirements in your instance. For mastodon what that means is that instances that aren’t progressive/far left aren’t welcome and are essentially not viable be…

What does this look like to the average user?

I'm imagining - finding a topic or person or something that you want to follow, and then, your 'instance' / host pops up with "the thing you are trying to get data from is banned from this host".

Seems like an excellent opportunity to upsell someone to starting their own host / own rules system.. Star your own droplet for $10 a month maybe?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#176

Post by DoctorOW » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:51 PM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #66

enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

> By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. That's such a naive and ignorant viewpoint. Everything which one doesn't agree with suddenly doesn't become racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. Post from an hour ago: > Somali feminist: Facebook is being used to silence me https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28452991 Another one from 2 months ago: > The…

These are all from big corporate entities either making (admittedly terrible) mistakes, or using the precedent of those mistakes to hide. These are problems systemically fixed by having human moderators not dependent on ad revenue.

> One only get to understand what censorship feels like when it comes for them.

This looks like you were starting to write "First they came for the" and then realized the next word was "socialists".

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#177

Post by candreasen » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #118

peakaboo wrote: post #30

People who don't see why platforms like these are critically important has never had an opinion that isn't allowed on the major tech platforms.

I don't think Lemmy wants to be open to different opinions either: https://github.com/innereq/lenny#the-lemmy-problem

Seems they have reversed course on that, to be fair.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1773

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#178

Post by HexbearShill » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

reginold wrote: post #158

kixiQu wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case it's really about the burden of community moderation. It's a fairly impotent restriction, and yet it serves the social function of discouraging a certain sort from making Lemmy their home. Most Reddit alternatives become really scummy because they attract the people (not "the kind of people", the literal individuals) who get banned from Reddit for pushing anti-Semitism, racism, and misogyny past what Red…

The problem is it cuts the other way too and spooks those who believe in open speech. I'm now uninterested in Lemmy because of this "feature". Anyone who would try to limit the speech of others cannot have my best interests in mind.

The very existence of moderation is a limitation on certain speech. To acknowledge the necessity of any moderation is acknowledge the validity of free speech limitations in certain contexts. Anything beyond that is arguing specifics and thresholds, not categorical morality.

I’m curious if you feel the same way about other features such as the ability to ban users or remove comments, which is in effect is a much greater limit on people’s speech. I can say significantly less as a banned user than as a user who is discouraged from saying the n word (since you can still post those comments. they just end up with the word censored)

Do I think this is good feature? Absolutely not. It’s an anti-pattern. But my read is that it was a stop gap for a site which had a live instance running with minimal resources during early development. The maintainer has said they are removing it. Surely if the slur filter was a moral consideration rather than a practical one, they would have no interest in removing it.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#179

Post by HexbearShill » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

StellarTabi wrote: post #174

unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

> retalk > Civil discussion for the center and center right > Karl Marx: Atheist or Satanist? > Candace Owens > transphobic comic > no links to github/gitlab is this what passes for "civil discussion" and "center/center right" these days?

Weird that a Reddit clone wouldn’t be open source. So much for the free speech crowd. thedonald and the .win-iverse did the same thing, but I think it was originally based on postmill.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#180

Post by mpalmer » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 4:12 PM UTC

kypro wrote: post #115

enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

Are you even paying attention? This isn't true. You can be censored from social media for all sorts these days. This last year we had a UK media organisation banned from YouTube for questioning the UK COVID response. People in the US are no longer allowed to question the legitimacy of their elections on most social media platforms. Even US media outlets like the NYPost were censored for running stories Twitter didn't…

> People in the US are no longer allowed to question the legitimacy of their elections on most social media platforms.

Sounds almost reasonable, except:

Putting a question mark after misinformation and conspiracy theories doesn't magically transform them into reasonable questions.

And pluralizing the word "elections", doesn't fool us into thinking this is about more than the 2020 presidential, and Donald Trump's lie that it was stolen.

It has been thoroughly litigated and found to be legitimate by both public and private entities. Anyone continuing to "question" it most likely has an agenda of undermining that legitimacy.