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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by mulmen »

marcodiego wrote: post #141
exporectomy wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment was about importance, not popularity. Those aren't mainly used for important work. If people are paying you to use the software, it's probably important to them.

> Those aren't mainly used for important work. Tablets, smartphones and smart tvs have been of increasing importance on education activities, specially after the pandemic. My router is used for ALL my internet traffic, important or not. Webservers... basically most of what most things people do online. And supercomputers are right now doing high relevancy tasks like running climate models, simulating protein folding,…

Are schools that use Windows tablets doing important work?

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by walteweiss »

throwawayboise wrote: post #155
swiley wrote: post #140

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I’m not ok with it. Nothing in my house runs Windows and even my phone runs Linux with a fairly normal X11 DE at this point. At work all the coorperate crapware makes the machine so unstable anyway Microsoft’s malware would just be one more thing. It’s a broken window (heh) situation.

I installed OpenBSD about 10 years ago and have used nothing else on my personal computers since then. It does occasionally have breaking changes in its updates, but they never happen without you taking action to initiate them. The idea that we're OK with random popups, feature promotions, nags to use this or that or enable some setting, and outright advertising on our computers is just mind-boggling.

Why did you choose this very OS? Considering there are many of BSDs and Linux as well.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by SunlightEdge »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #157
shkkmo wrote: post #144

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You mean the same windows 10 that I never bother to boot into because every time I do various services decide to do so many indexing and updating tasks that it pegs the hard drive at 100% for hours? I should be able to launch windows every couple of months without having to wait so long to do anything that I forget why I even booted into windows in the first place.

No, I think they mean the stable Windows 10 that pushes Xbox, Skype, Microsoft Office, SkyDrive, and Candy Crush onto you. The one that "helpfully" resets default applications and privacy settings to the ones Microsoft wants you to use, and then whines at you (or gives vague threats) when you do choose something else. The one that turned logging in from pretty much an instant thing to a random wait while you get a "W…

My spider senses are detecting sarcasm.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by flutterwascrap »

swiley wrote: post #149
flutterwascrap wrote: post #148

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I would like to but the performance is a dealbreaker. If I'm on windows, I can expect to run latest titles at 60 fps on my 4 year old rig. That isn't possible on wine/proton.

Provided some garbage from either Microsoft or your hardware vendor isn’t sucking up all the I/O or CPU which has consistently been my experience the last few times I’ve suffered Windows.

This has never happened to me.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by raxxorrax »

nightski wrote: post #132
errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

This is in a pre-release build. I'm not happy to hear about it, but in reality Windows 10 has been incredibly reliable. Can't remember the last time I saw a crash to be honest, and I use it for 8-10 hours a day most of the time.

> but in reality Windows 10 has been incredibly reliable

True, but it depends on which component. For a year it couldn't sort and move symbols on the desktop without bugs.

On some systems there is a "Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry" process that will take all your CPU. Don't know, MS could farm bitcoins for all we know.

There are a lot of small issues, but yes, overall it got more dependent, although I think Win7 was stable as well.

Still, overall it doesn't really improve, it mostly gets worse. The infestation with ads shouldn't be allowed in any operating system. These are ideas from guys Steve Jobs warned us about.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by INTPenis »

heyitsguay wrote: post #12
INTPenis wrote: post #9

I will begrudgingly use windows 11 at some point because of the games you can play on it. But for anything else I'm so glad Linux and its ecosystem exists, and is only getting more stable lately. Windows gives me heartburn.

If you're playing games through Steam and haven't checked out Proton in a while, give it another try! The only game I haven't been able to get work on Ubuntu 16/18/20 is Fallout 3.

Yes I am aware. Even before Proton I was one of those geeks with one Radeon for a Windows VM and one cheap GPU for the host system.

But it's just too much hassle. I'd rather just boot up my big Windows gaming rig. I view it as a modular Xbox that I build myself.

So no matter how far we come in Linux, most people will still have a "Wintendo" PC console for gaming.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mistrial9 wrote: post #37
errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

> we're okay with this level of uncertainty no, you are not the customer.. executive management, legal and finance are the target customer

I sometimes like to joke that seeing a company push for Windows / Teams, and, more generally, software that fights against you instead of helping you do your job must be some kind of signaling. "Look how well-off we are, we can afford to pay our employees full-time while they only work half the time".

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by vladvasiliu »

userbinator wrote: post #92
PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27

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How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. ...and let's not forget removing color from the active window's titlebar, so it was eye-searingly white like all the others, then reluctantly adding it back as an optional setting in an "update" later. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/how-to-resto... When stuff like that seems to happen almost regular…

Well, regarding the color thing, I figured it was a taste thing, and mine might be outdated or something.

But I particularly like it when I open a new window, it appears on top of the old ones, it looks like it's accepting input (the cursor blinks) but when I type, nothing happens. I have to actually click inside it for it to actually gain actual focus.

I'm thinking in particular of new Edge windows.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by vladvasiliu »

cameronh90 wrote: post #26
whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

Hasn't this behaviour been the case since at least Windows 98? I'd say Windows has improved a lot since then! Remember Active Desktop, the Channel Bar and MSNBC? I may have misgivings about certain things in modern desktops but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge absolutely deliver a better experience for an average user compared to XP, Microsoft Briefcase, Windows Messenger and IE6 - and XP was one of the good ones!

> I may have misgivings about certain things in modern desktops but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge absolutely deliver a better experience for an average user compared to XP, Microsoft Briefcase, Windows Messenger and IE6 - and XP was one of the good ones!

I'm not familiar with Briefcase (never knew what it did) and I'll give you Edge vs IE6.

But Teams vs Windows Messenger? No way. I'm running Teams on a computer orders of magnitute more powerful than what I had at the time of XP, and it STILL lags. I'm not a particularly fast typer, but it STILL can't keep up with me. This is, hands down, the worst piece of software I have to use today.

And I bet if it wasn't pushed "free" by MS to companies already using their stuff, no one would know about it.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by azalemeth »

smallerfish wrote: post #54
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #19

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There's only one ThinkPad with Ryzen that comes preloaded with Linux last I checked, but I'm hoping more come out soon since I really like ThinkPads. Either way, ThinkPads are worth a look since they play well with Linux, whether they come with Linux preloaded or not. I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch la…

You've checked out system76's offerings? They're not 4k, but otherwise they seem nice.

They don't offer any choice in keyboard layout -- and I don't use en-us. Would love to support them, but until that changes...
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