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Post by catsncomputers »

j8hn wrote: post #153
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Zealand's (as you describe it) "extreme lockdown" has worked. When dealing with a pandemic you are supposed to limit potential exposure, and their actions did that. As a result NZ has had one of the lowest infection rates in the world. Also, those actions let them "return to normal" quicker then anywhere else. It worked. Perhaps you feel that the mid-evil practice of nailing the doors and windows shut and posting…

The child poverty rate increased by 10%. I would say that an increase of children living in inhumane conditions is more than an inconvenience.

I can't seem to find anything to verify your 10% claim - all I can find is stats showing that child poverty actually went down.. Are you able to post a source for that?

EDIT: since my account has been rate-limited... The msn article below was released before the stats and is purely speculation. The stats before covid already indicate an increase, and NZ has long had fluctuating child poverty rates, which the current government is attempting to address. However it is essential to realise that this increase is largely driven by the effects of the previous government, and the housing and rental market - not the effects of Covid-19. https://www.cpag.org.nz/the-latest/current-statistics/latest...

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Post by mellavora »

nemo44x wrote: post #26

It's a good thing everyone surrendered their firearms to this same government. Once they know you can't resist anything they can do anything to you. I'm guessing NZ is next now that they've confiscated nearly every firearm they could.

The point of taking firearms against the government is not that you expect to win a firefight. It is that you are willing to force the government to shed blood (yours) if it is going to achieve its objective. Which means they risk turning you into a martyr.

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Post by 8458e112e7b2 »

benbristow wrote: post #104
maerF0x0 wrote: post #23

Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…

> Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. Don't worry, they won't let you in anyway. Won't even let their own people in (or out) at the minute.

Tyrants are going to tyrant.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

retrac wrote: post #152
eplanit wrote: post #68

There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.

We should have slammed the international borders shut at the first sign of it, and placed any region with outbreaks into the strictest lockdown we could humanely devise. Lesson learned for next time. Too late for that for most of the world. Now we have to learn to live with it somehow. But it worked for New Zealand. They're in a very odd position now. Domestically as long as they can keep it out, they could go comple…

I'm not sure you realize how much the world is connected now. Look up tanker ship traffic to realize how much things go back and forth. Locking up a country to outsiders is fantasy, and a terrible horrible idea. Even North Korea trades with anyone it can. Also, good luck securing the Southern Border. Retarding your economy, will cause far more death than the 1% claimed for Covid.

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

gorwell wrote: post #123
soco wrote: post #52

In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.

That means the government and media successfully manufactured consent with the population. A majority of the US supported the War on Terror. That was manufactured consent with thanks to the corporate press. It was only the outliers that protested from the beginning, only proven correct after 20 years, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars wasted in Afghanistan. Now that this has ended, be on alert for the next…

> Now that this has ended, be on alert for the next campaign of fear that will be used to erode freedom and increase the surveillance state.

You mean like a seemingly never-ending virus with a 99%+ survival rate?

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Post by smsm42 »

Australia is turning itself into a prison state. Citizens are allowed to go outside for maximum one or two hours, total surveillance, unconstrained searches of the property... About the same set of rights as a supermax prison inmate has, it looks like.

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Post by WalterBright »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #126
javajosh wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. To say it another way, state power is total by default. Every individual right is carved out of that default total power.

The 9th and 10th amendments to the US constitution limits the US government only to the powers explicitly enumerated in article 1 section 8. But in the real world, unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. Even the idea that there are only a short list of things that a government can do is a foreign concept to most folks.

Unfortunately, a depressing number of people believe that an all-powerful government is the solution to all their problems. "There outta be a law" runs rampant.

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Post by bserge »

jliptzin wrote: post #130
donatj wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I've always had doubts about direct democracy. Most people are idiots who scare easily and whose views should not be considered.

I’ve always wondered how hard it would be to start your own country, people start new companies all the time to solve problems, I think it’s time we start a new country for the first time in how many years? Maybe a government that actually does respect privacy and doesn’t just throw it out the window because of “terrorism” or whatever the thing of the moment might be. Also would be nice to live somewhere that doesn’t…

I think the closest you can get these days is a village in some poor but relatively stable country. In Eastern Europe for example.

The government will ignore a lot of things for a pretty long time as long as you're building, doing stuff and paying taxes.

But an independent country? Maybe on a bunch of ships in international waters.

Otherwise you'll quickly find yourself with a small army at your "borders".

Too many people these days, soldiers, guns and ammunition are cheap and all land is taken.

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