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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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endisneigh wrote: post #164
miked85 wrote: post #150

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> I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. Or maybe just stick with the fact that it isn't very effective. [1] [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v...

That’s not really what your link says tho. > Both vaccines were highly effective during this study period against SARS-CoV-2 infection (mRNA-1273: 86%, 95%CI: 81-90.6%; BNT162b2: 76%, 95%CI: 69-81%) and COVID-19 associated hospitalization (mRNA-1273: 91.6%, 95% CI: 81-97%; BNT162b2: 85%, 95% CI: 73-93%). However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) w…

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by delecti »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #27

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The government isn't compelling me to get vaccinated, either.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

I've gone to a variety of stores in a major city, and never been asked for my vaccination status.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ceejayoz »

supportlocal4h wrote: post #155
ceejayoz wrote: post #12

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Of course, we don't have much info on the long-term health outcomes of getting COVID , either. It's like worrying about the long-term impact of breathing fire extinguisher powder while being engulfed by flames.

More like being inundated by smoke. My town is currently experiencing intermittent days of smokiness from fires burning 100s of miles away. People are dying in those fires. Homes are being destroyed. But the local fire department isn't doing anything about it. Nobody around here is installing sprinklers as a precaution. They act like there is no fire at all. Covid is a serious thing. But "engulfed by flames" is the e…

> Why don't we lockdown our highways when there are 600,000 deaths from auto accidents?

We mandate seat belts, air bags, guard rails, road construction standards, backup cameras, crumple zones, and quite a few other elements involved in road safety. Per-mile road deaths have been on a precipitous decline for decades due to ongoing increases in safety mandates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by Markoff »

eganist wrote: post #2

My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it. So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) base…

This approval doesn't change a thing, about no known long term effects of viral vector vaccines (first time approved by any medical agency in world in November 2019) and mRNA vaccines (first time approved by any medical agency in world in December 2020).

Sorry for not wanting to inject myself with unproven technology with unknown long term effects. Why politicians and certain pharma companies keep pushing these vaccines instead offering conventional inactivated virus vaccines? Heck maybe I'd go even for protein based one (Novavax).

As healthy non-obese non-smoking relatively young person I'm not afraid of COVID, but I'd be willing to take safe vaccine with technology proven by decades of track record to make some people happy (though ideally everyone should have same rights vaxxed or unvaxxed and this should be entirely voluntary same as influenza, hepatitis and other vaccines nobody requires when you travel to neighboring country or visit restaurant).

For instance these are currently my options in EU, if I want conventional vaccine against COVID approved by EMA or any COVID vaccine using any technology approved more than 2 years ago:

EDIT: I wonder if all those people defending these new technoloy vaccines also use all their software running Alpha/Beta versions and don't wait for Stable version. But it seems when it comes to one's own health it's less important than software for most.

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Post by Unklejoe »

cmpb wrote: post #10
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

It's also possible that its approval will result in more people getting the vaccine due to those people now having an out from their initial reaction that it was rushed (but still sticking to their convictions up to now in order to avoid embarrassment).

You make a good point. Sure, some will just move their goalposts, but I personally know at least one person who initially voiced skepticism about the vaccine, and sort of locked himself into a position where he can't get it now without looking like he's "submitting to the man" or whatever.

We have all known people who will double down on their arguments after being proven wrong because they've gone too far. This could give them an out.

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Post by howinteresting »

ortusdux wrote: post #63
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. I want to know when insurance companies will start adjusting rates.

At least in the US, it would be illegal for them to do so under the ACA.

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Post by nojito »

sharken wrote: post #154
version_five wrote: post #83

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> I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. No doubt this will be the case for some. So, you've found a logical flaw in people's stated reasons for not wanting a vaccine. How does that help anything? In these kinds of debates, the actual goals or beliefs of both sides often differ from what they say. For example, the government being able…

These cheap shots or trench war between both sides does nobody any good, it divides people instead of unite them. For me the major issue with the vaccine is the extremely fast track from inventing it to getting it out the door. An FDA approval will not change my mind on the safety of the vaccine, only time can do that. By that i mean that we need more time to assess the long-term effects, something that many pro-vacc…

>By that i mean that we need more time to assess the long-term effects, something that many pro-vaccine people seem unwilling to accept. That is unfortunate.

We are way past the time frame for long-term effects to manifest themselves for a corona-like vaccine.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by SantalBlush »

deeg wrote: post #141
tohnjitor wrote: post #73

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FDA approval is mostly meaningless. Just this year they approved an Alzheimer's treatment which ended clinical trials early because it didn't work. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/08/th...

"mostly meaningless" is an overstatement. The FDA oversees a lot of drug applications and gets it right a vast majority of the time. No human endeavor is perfect; if there's evidence that 20% of approvals are wrong then I'll agree that there's a problem.

>No human endeavor is perfect

This should be posted to the front page of the site. I get so tired of seeing comments pointing out some flaw in an institution and concluding that the institution is therefore useless. It really is lazy thinking.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by HanaShiratori »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #27

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The government isn't compelling me to get vaccinated, either.

Sure, so long as you don't need groceries in a major city.

Which major City are you referring to that demands vaccination for grocery shopping?
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