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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Revenant-15 wrote: post #158
ZekeSulastin wrote: post #115

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… Nvidia did release lower end cards that target the same market and price point as the 6600 XT a lot earlier than AMD though - as far as MSRP goes the 3060 and 3060 Ti bracket the 6600 XT’s $380 at $329 and $399 (not that MSRP means a thing right now) and similarly brackets performance, and even the MSRP was not received well in conjunction with the 1080p marketing. Both manufacturers have basically told the mid and…

I've happily taken their advice and have moved to an Xbox Series S for a good 80% of my gaming needs. What gaming I still do on my PC consists mainly of older games, emulators and strategy games. Although I've been messing with Retroarch/Duckstation on my Xbox, and it's been quite novel and fun to be playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console.

playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console.

That's just wrong. There should be some sort or matter/anti-matter reaction there.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by ineedasername »

ayngg wrote: post #59
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought they are using TSMC for their gpu, which means they will be part of the same bottleneck that is affecting everyone else.

That depends on how much of TSMC's capacity they've reserved, and which node they are manufacturing on. I'm guessing that a low end GPU doesn't need a 5nm node. I think these are 7nm, which is still going to be booked tightly but probably not as heavily bottlenecked as smaller nodes.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by ineedasername »

IshKebab wrote: post #114
judge2020 wrote: post #39

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*AMD/Apple is using. Nvidia's always-sold-out Ampere-based gaming chips are made in a Samsung fab. https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-ampere-samsung-8nm-process/

TSMC have a 56% percent market share. The next closest is Samsung at 18%. I think that's enough to say that everyone uses them without much hyperbole.

This is the point where commenters enter into a pedantic discussion about whether 56% is better suited to the term everyone or the term most. :)

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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wtallis wrote: post #125
deaddodo wrote: post #75

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Where do you get that idea? The third-party fabs have far greater production capacity[1]. Intel isn't even in the top five. They're a shared resource; however, if you're willing to pay the money, you could monopolize their resources and outproduce anybody. 1 - https://epsnews.com/2021/02/10/5-fabs-own-54-of-global-semic...

You're looking at the wrong numbers. The wafer capacity of memory fabs and logic fabs that are only equipped for older nodes aren't relevant to the GPU market. So Micron, SK hynix, Kioxia/WD and a good chunk of Samsung and TSMC capacity are irrelevant here.

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by mastax »

ayngg wrote: post #59
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought they are using TSMC for their gpu, which means they will be part of the same bottleneck that is affecting everyone else.

Currently the bottleneck is substrates, not TSMC.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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errantspark wrote: post #131
NonContro wrote: post #120

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How long will that situation last though, with Ethereum 2.0 around the corner and the next difficulty bomb scheduled for December? https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/olla5w/eip_3554_o... Intel could be launching their cards into a GPU surplus... That's discrete GPUs though, presumably the major volumes are in laptop GPUs? Will Intel have a CPU+GPU combo product for laptops?

> How long will that situation last though Probably until at least 2022 because the shortage of GPUs isn't solely because of crypto. Until we generally get back on track tricking sand to think we're not going to be able to saturate demand. > Will Intel have a CPU+GPU combo product for laptops? What? Obviously the answer is yes, how could it possibly be no? CPU+GPU combo is the only GPU related segment where Intel cur…

To be more specific, Intel currently allocates a fair chunk of their dies to iGPUs. Will that no longer be the case when Intel manufacturers their own dedicated GPUs? It seems like a waste of silicon.

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Post by mastax »

dragontamer wrote: post #32

https://software.intel.com/content/dam/develop/external/us/e... The above is Intel's Gen11 architecture whitepaper, describing how Gen11 iGPUs work. I'd assume that their next-generation discrete GPUs will have a similar architecture (but no longer attached to CPU L3 cache). I haven't really looked into Intel iGPU architecture at all. I see that the whitepaper has some oddities compared to AMD / NVidia GPUs. Its defi…

Intel has talked about Xe-LP which should be a better baseline for Xe-LPG: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15973/the-intel-xelp-gpu-arch...

It's a lot more like the competition, IIRC.

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deadmutex wrote: post #121
mey wrote: post #61

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I refuse to engage with the current GPU pricing insanity, so my 5900x is currently paired with a 960 GTX. When Intel enters the market it will be another factor in driving pricing back down, so might play Cyberpunk in 2022...

If you really want to play Cyberpunk on PC, and don't want to buy a new GPU.. playing it on Stadia is an option (especially if you have a GPU that can support VP9 decoding). I played it at 4K/1080p, and it looked pretty good. However, I think if you want the best graphics fidelity (i.e. 4K RayTracing), then you probably do want to just get a high end video card. Disclosure: Work at Google, but not on Stadia.

Spouse bought me a copy on steam before understanding that I needed a new system to play it. Being a single player experience, I can wait for it.

I did advise several co-workers to go that route.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by kruxigt »

RussianCow wrote: post #100
paulmd wrote: post #64

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I didn't say NVIDIA did directly price cards? Doesn't sound like you are doing a very good job of following the HN rule - always give the most gracious possible reading of a comment. Nothing I said directly implied that they did, you just wanted to pick a bone. It's really quite rude to put words in people's mouths, and that's why we have this rule. But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 309…

> But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100. That's just your store being dumb, then. The 6900 XT is averaging about $1,500 brand new on eBay[0] while the 3090 is going for about $2,500[1]. Even on Newegg, the cheapest in-stock 6900 XT card is $1,700[2] while the cheapest 3090 is $3,000[3]. Everything I've read suggests that the AMD cards, while generally a little slower than thei…

> But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand.

If one is sold out and the other not that indicates that this is not completely the case.

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