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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by tablespoon »

maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

> Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

Can you go more into how non-native apps are a "hallmarks of rot by VCs"?

I hate them too, but my impulse is to blame MBA thinking (build once, less investment, who cares if it sucks) than VCs specifically.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by gjs278 »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

enjoy when they get hacked and all your passwords leak at once

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

donohoe wrote: post #134

I love 1Password but the subscription-only path doesn't sit well with me. They're intentionally removing key features so they can justify providing a service that I can do myself. I'm increasingly sick of good standalone software suddenly moving to this model. They are a business, I get it. However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I get it with Slack, Dropbox, Github, etc as they all starte…

> However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with?

I started making a list to answer that question myself. So far, I'm up to SEVENTEEN, but I'm sure I'm still overlooking a few.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

smnrchrds wrote: post #146
dangus wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your bank is already a third party with its hands on your financial information, likely stored "in the cloud." Check out Chase's privacy policy as an example: https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/privacy-security/pri... A number of information sharing activities cannot be limited. This is typical of any bank or financial institution. Your bank has its own vendors, many of them are themselves SaaS and cloud hosted!…

The problem with YNAB is that, A) They will have all of your financial information, as opposed to banks that will each get a slice. So the data they have is much more sensitive. B) YNAB has around 100 employees in total. They do not have the resources to secure their data the way big banks do. We all have our doubts about security at big banks, but I am sure small startups are way worse. C) It was all unnecessary for…

Re. point C, I think everyone's use case is different but for an alternative perspective: it was absolutely necessary for YNAB to go online for me to buy it.

The mobile app is a really key use case for me, and even as a technical person I just can't be bothered to set up hacky sync via dropbox or expect my family to know how to do that. Even if I could be bothered, now I'm just kicking the responsibility to dropbox + myself with all the same problems. I'd rather have the app developers manage that responsibility.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by hcolomb »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #95
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

^ says the co-founder of another webapp-in-a-window product

I haven't commented enough to report you so I will just comment. This response goes against nearly every guideline for the site. Please don't attack fellow users just because you disagree with their opinion of technology stack. I've used a wide range of Electron applications and the quality varies just like any other tech.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jurip »

yesimahuman wrote: post #68
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

It may be a win for some users. I can’t see how switching my perfectly fine, frequently updated native app for a memory hogging web browser wrapper is a win for me. I’m actively looking for alternatives now.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by evanb »

Also a stand-alone user since 1pw4. This news finally got me to try pass, the command-line utility.

https://www.passwordstore.org/

The format is plain text. You can git control your password repo. You can organize into directories, etc.

It has an extension architecture; you can have it generate otps, for example. You can have specific passwords unlock with more than 1 key, if you want to do eg. family or business sharing.

There are mobile apps, browser plugins. None as smoothly polished as 1pw, but good ENOUGH. There are (imperfect) tools for migrating, but you can write your own scripts.

So far (using it for 48 hours) the worst part was setting up a gpg key.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ValentineC »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #107
art-vandelay wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same situation here. I guess my setup will break once they remove dropbox sync from the android app.

Just save your vault as a local folder and sync it yourself. I use SyncThing.

I think the problem here is that 1Password wants to remove "standalone" vaults altogether, preventing any form of 3rd party sync solution.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ramesh31 »

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I've never understood the value of any of these password services. How can it possibly be more secure to have your entire digital life hackable with a single cloud based point of failure? Surely it's safer to simply use an encrypted text file on your local PC.
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