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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by cronix »

warning26 wrote: post #118
cronix wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

On an abstract level, that sounds terrible, doesn't it? At the same time though, I feel like this seems like the "least bad" possible solution. If a subset of accounts are only going viral because people want to bully them, it seems reasonable to limit that content's reach.

Yes, it does sound terrible, on any level. Just get rid of minority viewpoints rather than enforce some sort of basic civility when discussing them? Just get rid of the harassed rather than the harassers? How will that iterate over time?

That would be like firing the current women coming forward against Governor Cuomo and leaving the governor alone to continue his ways, to put it in a current headline context.

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Post by tablespoon »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #95
tablespoon wrote: post #90

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> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.

You are assuming that the person you respond to is american. He's dutch, and is regularly spied on by the US.

> You are assuming that the person you respond to is american.

No, I was responding with my thoughts as an American. And frankly, his comment was ambiguous enough to be open to multiple interpretations (e.g. 1. to a non-American, US-controlled networks are foreign; 2. and manipulation/propaganda happens on US-controlled networks already, so why should it be any more concerning on one from China; 3. etc.).

> He's dutch, and is regularly spied on by the US.

The issue I was talking about isn't spying.

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Post by zacharycohn »

arsome wrote: post #41
nostromo wrote: post #28

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It’s also much more positive. If I spend 20 minutes on TikTok I usually laugh and smile a few times. And regularly I’m impressed at human creativity. 20 minutes on Instagram or Facebook is usually either boring or leaves me comparing myself to others. 20 minutes on YouTube and I feel like I’ve watched 10 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of fluff. 20 minutes on Reddit and I hate the world.

Yeah, no kidding with that reddit one, every time I go there I feel like everyone is just in constant fear or anger, especially going to subreddits for my city/state. I've near completely stopped using it due to this. Now I just spend way too much time on YouTube instead. It may be a terrible waste of time, but at least it's less angry and fearful.

Then unsubscribe from the subreddits that cause you angst and subscribe to subreddits that you enjoy.

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Post by appleflaxen »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #16
appleflaxen wrote: post #3

Is there any chance for facebook to buy them like they did instagram and whatsapp?

It's possible but extremely unlikely, being a Chinese company. I'm sure the Chinese Government has no interest in letting Mark Zuckerberg own the platform. And it's certainly not like they need the money from Facebook.

Both of those owners (a chinese company vs facebook) seem terrible for the public interest in the US.

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Post by Dah00n »

jjice wrote: post #131

Lots of positivity in this thread, and I don't think that's entirely a bad thing, but I think TikTok is the worst of the social media platforms in terms of addictiveness, based on my peers. As a recent grad, so many of my friends are heavily invested in TikTok and have been since quarantine began, some of them for a bit before. The amount of time they spend there is absurd. Consuming 30 second content for three hours…

From what I've seen Tiktok is no worse than Instagram, Facebook or Snapchat. If anything there's less toxicity which in itself makes Tiktok better than the rest.

With that said I don't use social media much (like maybe an hour a week? I have neither Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or Snapchat accounts) and if I had to pick only one it would be Tiktok (even though I don't use it now) except if there were a curated HN page with all the toxicity filtered out (that would be awesome).

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by stevewodil »

nonameiguess wrote: post #85

Does this really mean much? I hate Facebook as much as anyone and would love to see them fail, but they have four times the daily active users of TikTok. Growth has no choice but to slow when you have less room to grow. Also if you lump Facebook and Facebook Messenger together, it's still more even just in downloads, and they didn't have to split into two apps.

>if you lump Facebook and Facebook Messenger together

As two separate apps there is a massive overlap in the users that are downloading the Facebook app and the Messenger app for their phone. Combining the total downloads for each and using that total number of downloads is not a good measure of anything.

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Post by kixiQu »

ceejayoz wrote: post #154
Drew_ wrote: post #147

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You're not going to include the excerpt where a TikTok representative stated this was a bad practice and that they don't do those these things anymore?

I mean, that's about as credible as Facebook claiming to be turning over a new leaf on privacy, isn't it?

But I mean, we can all still find evidence of FB malfeasance, and I can find evidence of cool fat queer people showing up in my For You feed at the very least

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Post by yuy910616 »

adventured wrote: post #136
yuy910616 wrote: post #9

I'm really curious if China will go after bytedance next in its crackdown. My guess would be no. Alibaba, Tencent, DiDi, Meituan all are either local champions that have no competitive advantage overseas - and thus does not help China's growth. But TikTok actually represents that China might have a competitive advantage in deep learning algos that takes massive amount of data - therefore it would be spare from crackd…

> FB, Google, AWS, and Azue all have a competitive advantage that China don't - English. While true, that's the lesser of the competitive advantages. China's companies are locked in a highly restrictive CCP control box, which they're not allowed out of. That box will shrink further, suffocating the companies as it goes. It heavily limits how they can compete, what they can do, how fast they can move, and those restri…

I think this is a bear case on China - essentially you're saying that authoritarian government is unstable by nature, democracy is the end of history, etc.

I'm a bit less certain. Past is no indication of future, but China has been the most successful authoritarian country to date. Enough for me to start questioning whether democracy is truly the only way.

For example, I look at their recent crack down rather enviously - to pivot from consumer internet which they realized they have no competitive advantage over into the "German model" where industrialization is key, is a much better approach considering their industrial base and current political climate. In the US, things are moving much slower.

So IDK - I'm not sure if I buy the "it'll get worse" effect. Besides, you could be right, just off by 500 years. In the longrun - we're all dead

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