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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by newscracker »

curt15 wrote: post #160
vmception wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh Apple users you can still download this app and it will stay on their phones after it is removed from the app store This post seems to mischaracterize what is going on and seems to be pre-prepared sentiment that has nothing to do with what actually is happening or going to happen Apple users can still file share dos games, if they download that app now. Not clear what level of device control you are reacting to, w…

Don't iOS apps check in with Apple periodically for permission to run?

My understanding is that if the developer certificate is revoked, then the app would fail to run. But otherwise, apps on the device should run even if they’re removed from the App Store (by Apple or by the developer).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by fab1an »

I feel that Apple solve the problem of freedom vs security quite well on Mac: you can download and run whatever software you want, but there's a sort of "Captcha" involved (where you need to right-click + open to run software from non-registered devs). This prevents mom and dad from installing a bunch of Spyware, but let's me run obscure and cool apps by indie developers as I please.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by marcodiego »

xerox13ster wrote: post #147
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

We had a third option but developers very publicly refused to support it and Google worked tirelessly to hamstring it in every way they could. Now we're all crying for a third platform because Apple is too restrictive and Google, surprise (to no one least of all WP users), turned out to be evil and I feel absolutely no sympathy for the tech community, particularly developers who decry the current paradigm. We chose t…

There is no reason for anyone to hope that users would have more freedom and independence if windows phone had survived. Microsoft didn't even care to persuade vendors to publish specifications or allowed the system to be downloaded by their small number of users after it was abandoned.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by newscracker »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

I agree with most of your points.

> Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy

I disagree with the word “marginally” here. Compared to Android, it’s far better and keeps staying ahead (while Android may try to catch up for certain features and controls).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by qalmakka »

I hope Apple will be punished for their behaviour. I could ideally understand them reserving the power to decide what gets uploaded and what doesn't on their stores, but then they must allow sideloading. People paid good money for their phones, and so they must be free to use them as they see fit. To me this sounds like buying a car that's restricted from entering Germany or buying a fruit processor that forbids you to blend fruit, which would universally be considered as an abuse of power from the manufacturer.

Apple can't just impose to user what basically boils down to a fee to use your own hardware as you want, while at the same time preventing their competitors from competing at par with their services. Their draconian policies have been getting harsher and more drastic over time, it almost feels like they are really trying to get the EU Commission to punish them somehow.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by swiley »

emteycz wrote: post #107
swiley wrote: post #99

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Nope. Some of them are children. Some need or prefer Apple's locked in stuff (iMessage.) Not to mention Android is a slow burning trash fire. I've seen so many ignorant comments like this about iOS lately I'm on the fence about deleting my HN account. I think I'd be happier, and all the people here who keep defending Apple's abuse would be happier.

Android is a perfectly usable platform. Your comment is just as ignorant as these you criticize.

I never said it was unusable. MSDOS is also a perfectly usable platform full of bad ideas and ridiculous hacks.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

verytrivial wrote: post #158
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Re: Android, I tried to log out of YouTube on my phone yesterday. It said "Sure, as long as you don't mind logging out of GMail too." I was taken aback by this -- I didn't realise this was a hostage situation.

Yes, Google is using Gmail specifically for this purpose. Once you use Gmail on an Android device, it installs a Google account with all its consequences like getting the list of all your contacts, tracking you in Google apps and so on. For that reason I tried several alternative apps that don't involve adding a Google account to my device, but they were less comfortable to use - specifically, the search function was subpar.

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Post by johnny53169 »

TomAnthony wrote: post #159
mgsk wrote: post #155

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You know you wouldn't have to make use of functionality just because it's there, right?

Yes, I understand that, but how do I _know_ if I am using this functionality? In this case, it is the ability for an app to install and execute arbitrary code that hasn't been reviewed. I download an update to DoodleJump and it installs some malware on my device. I'd be none the wiser. I don't want that stress, which is why I chose an Apple device. It protects me from that scenario.

> Yes, I understand that, but how do I _know_ if I am using this functionality?

Go look at your settings?

As the recent leaks showed, the walled garden didn't protect you from invisible malware

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

Ballas wrote: post #167
verytrivial wrote: post #158

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Re: Android, I tried to log out of YouTube on my phone yesterday. It said "Sure, as long as you don't mind logging out of GMail too." I was taken aback by this -- I didn't realise this was a hostage situation.

If you cannot uninstall the youtube app, you should be able to freeze it (with adb). (then take a look at youtube vanced)

+ for Youtube Vanced. Basically, there is no reason to use Google's YT app these days.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by marcodiego »

jhasse wrote: post #116
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

You can use Android without Google, for example https://e.foundation/

EOS is what runs my phone and I like it. I plan to buy a librem 5 or pinephone as soon as my will to spend enough money on them gets strong enough.
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