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Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by tw04 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

Ostrogodsky wrote: post #146

Spooky23 wrote: post #105

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The opposite is true as well. A US person can be federally charged for violating a foreign law while overseas. The example used when I read of this was a guy convicted for wrapping lobsters for shipment in Nicaragua in wax paper instead of a bag (or something along those lines). It was very strange because the violation in Nicaragua was a misdemeanor, but the US law for committing a crime is a felony.

Maybe I am getting this wrong but that is not the opposite. I think OP said: An UK citizen can be extradicted from the UK to the US just by having done a thing that it is illegal in the US but not in the UK. You said: An US citizen can be charged in the US if he committed a crime abroad even if that thing is not typified as illegal in the US. Wake me up when an US citizen is extradicted to the UK because he did somet…

According to the home office: wake up. 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK for breaking UK law as of 2011.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/100739/response/25520...

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by asdfaoeu » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #171

Ostrogodsky wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I am getting this wrong but that is not the opposite. I think OP said: An UK citizen can be extradicted from the UK to the US just by having done a thing that it is illegal in the US but not in the UK. You said: An US citizen can be charged in the US if he committed a crime abroad even if that thing is not typified as illegal in the US. Wake me up when an US citizen is extradicted to the UK because he did somet…

According to the home office: wake up. 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK for breaking UK law as of 2011. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/100739/response/25520...

That says nothing about whether what they did was also illegal in the US which I think was his distinction.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by me_again » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 2:25 AM UTC

I worked at Autonomy a long time back. While I was never exposed to the accounting side, I find the allegations quite plausible - the company always played fast and loose, selling software that didn't exist yet, wildly overstating its capabilities, etc.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by adventured » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

sjaak wrote: post #62

stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

You’re right of course. But as always. The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Oh yes, those poor weak British. History has been so unkind to them, torturing them so in their forever weakness. If only they were, just once, in a great position of power.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by rhino369 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 3:35 AM UTC

trasz wrote: post #86

anonymousDan wrote: post #81

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I agree. There was a horrendous incident recently in the UK where an American woman drove the wrong way up a particular road and ran over a teenager. Somehow she was spirited out of the country and now the US refuse to extradite her.

You’re talking about Anne Sacoolas. There’s more to it: she’s a spook, and she fled on board of US military plane, lying about having diplomatic immunity.

She had diplomatic immunity. There is a lot of bad reporting in that case.

The US always puts it diplomats back on a plane ASAP after that sort of incident. My buddy in the foreign service ran someone over while on a tour and they did exactly the same thing. Back on the next flight out.

It sounds callous, but the person would otherwise become a scapegoat for the US.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by mdda » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:02 AM UTC

microtherion wrote: post #125

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #110

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For non-native English speakers, spook is vernacular for government intelligence agent (spy).

… or a caucasian, or an Asian, or an Afrian-American, or an Australian, or a heroin addict: https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/a23ap7q Clearly, the parent comment's interpretation is correct in this context. The only other use I've encountered was #3, I believe in James Ellroy novels.

FWIW, for the International audience, the (excellent) UK series "Spooks" was renamed "MI-5" - it was all about the domestic intelligence services in the UK, and (IMHO) worth looking for on NetFlix...

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by hermitdev » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:04 AM UTC

cycomanic wrote: post #126

freeopinion wrote: post #118

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https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/autonomy says that Autonomy HQ is in San Francisco, CA.

You have read the article saying the company was sold in 2011?

The article states: "Before it was bought by HP, it had headquarters in San Francisco and Cambridge in the UK."

So, the sale has no bearing here? Pre-sale and post-sale it had offices in San Francisco.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:48 AM UTC

asdfaoeu wrote: post #172

tw04 wrote: post #171

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According to the home office: wake up. 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK for breaking UK law as of 2011. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/100739/response/25520...

That says nothing about whether what they did was also illegal in the US which I think was his distinction.

I think it must be difficult to find something that fits that distinction out of all major cases, basically the things that are illegal and not misdemeanors in one western democracy are probably illegal in the others - the only thing that jumps to mind are laws related to fascism in Germany.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by crawdog » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:53 AM UTC

What a fascinating time for search companies. We saw 2 companies with huge accounting irregularities purchased by large enterprise software vendors. The story behind Fast's acquisition by Microsoft is just as crazy. It was called the "Enron of Norway" https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pu..., and happened just 3 years prior!

Autonomy acquired Verity, they were the largest enterprise search company out there and HP had high hopes with their e-discovery solutions paired with storage. They didn't learn from Microsoft's mistake.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by tw04 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 5:03 AM UTC

asdfaoeu wrote: post #172

tw04 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the home office: wake up. 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK for breaking UK law as of 2011. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/100739/response/25520...

That says nothing about whether what they did was also illegal in the US which I think was his distinction.

He also provided 0 citations to people being extradited from the UK for a crime in the US that isn't a crime in the UK. Reading the actual content of the agreement in question I can't find anything remotely close to that text in it.

https://fas.org/irp/world/uk/extradite.pdf

The story itself is about a person who committed a crime that is a crime in both locations so...