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Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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I'm sad that all education endeavours eventually turn for-profit and then the goals get misaligned. Produce as many courses at as minimum cost as possible. Enroll as many people as possible without regards for completion percentage. Create an economy where random people are incentivised to create courses and then the course quality tanks. I wish this turns out differently. Even Udemy and Coursera have become commeric…

> all education endeavours eventually turn for-profit and then the goals get misaligned.

I'm fairly certain we've been watching that mission creep in all corners of education, higher and otherwise, over the past couple of decades.

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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I have a friend who works for 2u. the bootcamps just pump out bad devs. everything is taught way to fast, everything is glossed over, they are expected to learn the majority on the own

Tbh what do you expect from a 3 month intro to web dev? You have 12 weeks so you spend a week learning HTML, a week learning JS, then CSS, SQL, etc.

With that in mind, of course it’s pumping out bad devs, just like every other boot camp. I wish it were different but that’s what happens. What’s worse is they charge over $10K for the pleasure.

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

#173

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Nothing wrong with what you want, but I'm thinking you might not be the target audience?

A target audience is a good broader point about MOOCs and online education. (I took edX courses during the "glory days" of 2012 and 2013 -- and also tested out Udemy, Coursera, and Udacity at the time.) The one-size-fits-most nature of online education goes against the "customize your education at scale to learn" which was an earlier anticipated advantage about MOOCs. Specifically, adaptive learning and being able to…

Yeah, makes sense. Just to clarify something though, I didn't mean it in terms of "dumbing down", but rather "intended to be taken like a college course". As in, with the same amount of attention and effort dedicated to it as you would "full-time" in a college setting. Ergo, people who are looking to do dishes, jog outside, etc. in the middle of it would not be the target audience of MOOCs.

I actually see MIT's OCW as different from MOOCs in this regard, since that was intended as "here's the material we teach, use it at your leisure" (e.g., feel free to wash dishes in the middle...), whereas edX/Coursera/etc. were (as I see it) intended as "here's a 'college-equivalent' course you can take remotely; we need to assume you'll treat it similarly and in return we think it'd give you similar understanding of the material as a college student would get in a classroom".

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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I tried to use edX for the first time recently to take a "food science" course, but was disappointed to see that they've resorted to the same dark patterns as Coursera and others, such as: * Removing your access to course materials when the class is done, and disallowing access to past versions of the class. * Pressuring you into joining as many courses as possible, due to fear of missing out. When you visit the site…

> MIT OpenCourseWare still has plenty of lecture videos / course materials available. Hmm, I'd disagree. For example, Analysis 1 is a very desired course for many technical majors. Go look at OpenCourseWare's offerings for Analysis 1, perhaps peruse some of the videos. Then go look for other desired courses -- missing content is characteristic and not the exception.

For analysis lectures this guy is hard to find in the Youtube algorithm but has the best analysis lectures you'll ever find https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22w63XsKjqxqaF-Q7MSy... many go well with Terence Tao's book or whatever analysis text you're currently doing.

As for OCW it is missing a lot of content that you can find if you look at the class page on stellar for prev semesters, for whatever reasons they're not allowed on there but you can still find full lectures (until they lockdown that access too)

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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In abstract, no. In practice, in this case, yes. This was an odd way of channeling money into private pockets of well-connected people at MIT. Anyone know of a good way to reach a good investigative reporter?

I worked at edX for a few years as an engineer, but left 3.5 years ago. There isn't much of a story here. Of the top 10 officers listed on page 7 of the 990, only two—Anant and Adam—work directly for edX. The directors are MIT or Harvard employees. This transfer values edX, Inc. at $800M. Would anyone be complaining if the board and execs of a for-profit near-unicorn made $500K-$1M per year? I highly doubt it.

Indeed. And Clinton, let me ask you. What was your opinion of Anant?

Did he seem honest? Did he seem to care about the not-for-profit mission? Did the employees respect him? Or did he seem like a sleazy used car salesman?

If Anant were a highly-skilled, qualified executive acting in the interests of edX, I might have no problem with a high salary. Did Anant seem like that to you?

Did the teaching-and-learning on edX advance or regress since the MITx days? The focus on equity? The technology platform?

Did edX lead to major research breakthroughs? Did it impact the developing world?

And for that matter, how many URMs worked there? Were there leaders who had any knowledge of how less affluent people lived or who to build a platform for them?

Part of the reason lower compensation packages make sense is that people who care about initiatives like edX usually don't do it for the money. Paying Anant a megabuck a year exactly selected for the type of executive who worked his butt off to maximizes quarterly bonuses, rather than mission or long-term.

MIT and Harvard's top asset is in brand equity. Did you feel like the $800M -- let's call it $400M each -- which will in effect add 1% to Harvard's endowment and 2% to MIT's -- is worth the reputation hit?

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

#176

This seems like terrible news :( After the focus on monetization of platforms such as udemy and coursera, edx seemed to give me a sliver of hope that education will be open. Given the immense trust funds held by Harvard and MIT, I had hoped money would not be a factor and these institutions would be able to develop their platform in the open. I'd like to add .. non-profit does not mean free to end users. There are ma…

As someone on the other side of the table (essentially chief revenue officer for a college)—there is a real dichotomy here: on the one hand, faculty were themselves trained face to face, it’s what we know best, the medium at which we are most proficient. That said, the presence of scaled alternatives makes the educational economics of yesteryear, no longer feasible.

So our choices are: (1) Cut salaries and tenures or (2) Scale up

Option (1) is a political third rail. Option (2) comes in many shades of grey: all in with someone like coursera, literally operating at 8x scale relative to traditional endowments, or lightweight (either roll your own or with select niche vendors), say 2x. By fiat, the closer the new medium to the old, the better the early results. Faculty CAN become entirely proficient and effective educators leveraging new technologies at 5c+ scale—but only if their’s a will.

And, in order for the latter to exist, unfortunately it must be accompanied by a strictly positive remuneration, ie it cannot be free.

This isn’t the utopia that MOOCs first promised, but rather the political realities higher Ed finds itself in. For these reasons, I myself have begun paying for professional tutelage when I encounter a pencil of mine in need of sharpening. Despite a career’s worth of mastering the practice of learning, my capabilities (and will?) were insufficient to glean more than the most elementary basics upon enrolling in MOOCs, however I came to learn that I benefited tremendously from personalized feedback in my learning, something AI is still some ways from delivering!

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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My previous post was a bit too glib, so here's an explanation: There's a common belief on Hacker News which verges on mental illness, that the best solution to any problem is free market capitalism. This belief is false because free market capitalism doesn't solve problems when the customer isn't the person with the problem. The problem in this case is a chicken-and-egg problem: it's hard to get money without an educ…

> The problem in this case is a chicken-and-egg problem: it's hard to get money without an education, and it's hard to get an education without money. > For-profit education cannot solve the problem, because for-profit education is the problem. Have you seen school that only gets paid after you start working (and based on a percentage of your salary), for example: https://www.holbertonschool.com I like the concept in…

Yes many of these schools exist like 'lambda school' where they siphon your income for x years. Holberton website is filled with dark patterns requiring personal information and logging in to see any fees so if anybody is wondering it's $85k for 2 years, 60+ hours per week (so covering own cost of living for 2 years), and they can siphon your income 17% per month for 42 months so 3.5 years. It's not clear if this is gross or net but it's almost always gross siphoning for these shady schools. There is also absolutely no proof you will be employed after or that anybody will recognize your education as you do not receive credentials.

No regionally accepted credential means don't invest your money at all, ever, no matter what they promise. You go to a plumbing trade school they give you a regionally accepted credential so you can work, never trust these outfits they end up costing the same as a state school so just go to the state school and get your credentials.

If you want to take 2 years off to teach yourself watch MIT free lectures and contribute the entire time to open source software. There you get people auditing your code, experience working as a 'team' or whatever. Nobody takes $85k from you.

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

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> If you’re doing dishes you are not taking a college level course. Sometimes I like to listen to a lecture 2 or 3 or even more times. Sometimes I like to listen to a lecture when I'm going for a run. Sometimes I like to listen while I'm doing chores. Seems presumptuous to say I'm "not taking the course" when we know that learning styles vary so much between individuals.

> Sometimes I like to listen to a lecture 2 or 3 or even more times. YouTube has a ton of lectures, for free, that you can view and/or listen to in this manner. But doing dishes during a lecture seems antithetical to what they are trying to achieve with remote learning, and isn't the use case they should be catering to.

> But doing dishes during a lecture seems antithetical to what they are trying to achieve with remote learning, and isn't the use case they should be catering to.

It seems, but it isn't. The inflexible way they structure their courses is just a failure to accommodate to different learning styles. And it's okay - they don't need to be everything for everyone - but it's disappointing.

Re: MIT and Harvard agree to transfer edX to ed-tech firm 2U

#180

I have a friend who works for 2u. the bootcamps just pump out bad devs. everything is taught way to fast, everything is glossed over, they are expected to learn the majority on the own

At this point it's pretty well known bootcamps are not a great hiring pipeline. Unless you can get "grads" at a significant discount. There's a reason Lambda is so desperate that they will "loan" you someone for a month at no costs (the VCs pay for it!). [0]

[0] https://lambdaschool.com/hire-fellows

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