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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by contingencies »

astrange wrote: post #75
midnitewarrior wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a perfectly good PC from 2015 that has a Gen 5 Intel processor. It is 64-bit, 6-core, supports TPM 2.0, and supports the virtualization instructions, UEFI, etc. I have 64 gigs of ram in this and other upgrades, it works great, but it will die with Win 10 because the CPU isn't on Microsoft's list. When Win 10 support is done, so is my PC that I've invested a lot of money in. So yeah, it's going to become trash…

Can't you recycle every component except the motherboard?

Given a few years of time passing, generally motherboard upgrades require changing the physical format of the CPU and RAM interfaces, which means everything's wasted.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by GekkePrutser »

leucineleprec0n wrote: post #156
GekkePrutser wrote: post #83

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But their backwards compabitility obsession is not seen as a drawback by everyone. In fact I personally think Apple is taking things too far. The people that would complain about the backwards compatibility are probably not the same people that are complaining now. Those people would already be using their fancy UWP Metro apps :) By the way they are dropping the live tiles in Windows 11! So tileOS would be a misnomer…

Haha I realize that re live tiles. I do think the tiles lost their allure over time, but at the least the functional UI within menus and such that MS has been evolving at it's best looks great or superior to others of the day then/now (metro, fluent). Likewise re cleaning up the start crap, I'm not wedded to the tiles haha! As a reluctant recent MacOS user though, I really love the functionality of the start menu's e…

I use Mac a lot too (I do use pretty much all platforms every day). But I don't use Launchpad for the same reason. I don't find it fits well on my big 24" screen. I don't want huge icons spread out over the whole thing, same issue I had with Windows 8.

Instead, what I do is I add the Applications folder to the dock and set it to pop-up grid mode. That way it provides a nice start menu. Incidentially this was pretty much how 'things worked' in earlier versions of macOS. In the oldest versions you'd just get a finder window with your apps, and when Stacks came in Leopard (IIRC) this became the de facto 'start menu'. They later introduced launchpad as a unifying thing with the iPad but I just don't think full screen interfaces work well on large screens.

Also using spotlight is a handy way of launching apps. I use both together a lot.

And yes I totally agree that the minimised windows are hard to spot on macOS, and so is the dot to see which program is running or not. Apple has been tuning down this dot a lot over the years because they don't want users to care about it. It used to be a perfectly serviceable triangle in Tiger and went downhill from there.

And yeah I don't think the point is them preventing Linux either. Even if you have a TPM you still retain full control and can still add your own secureboot keys if you want to.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by layer8 »

williadc wrote: post #127
eric__cartman wrote: post #60

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Considering how unexciting new CPUs are nowadays I'd wager that a 10 year old computer in 2025 will still be perfectly usable for basic tasks such as email and web browsing. Something like an 8 year old i7 2700k is still very usable for a lot of home users. It might not be a beast when it comes to crunching numbers, but a big portion of the population would be happy using such a chip if you pair it with at least 8GB…

To strengthen rather than diminish your argument, the I7 2700K is over 9.5 years old. Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/61275/i...

Still using an i7-2600 as my main workstation at work, since 2012.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by einr »

g051051 wrote: post #153
eric__cartman wrote: post #111

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https://i.imgur.com/wHtf0PF.jpg

How does limiting the number of machines that can run it make money for Microsoft? I won't be paying for a Windows 11 upgrade (I assume it's not going to be free this time) until I need to replace my machine, which will be quite some time.

Windows 11 is a free upgrade if you have a Windows 10 license. You can't sell operating systems to consumers anymore, you have to sell OEM licenses to manufacturers, who in turn sell you a new computer with the new OS.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by ptk »

tiagod wrote: post #120
easton wrote: post #91

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In Windows 10 today, enabling BitLocker backups the keys to your AAD/Microsoft Account (depending on Home or Pro). If you hook the drive to another Windows machine you should be able to decrypt it with not a lot of trouble (you might have to log into the Azure Portal to pull the keys out if you are in a corporate environment, but that's it).

Doesn't this defeat the purpose (at least partially?) I assume law enforcement can request those keys from Microsoft if they're backed up to the account.

I think the threat models of the overwhelming majority of individuals would prioritize scenarios that involve lost or stolen laptops/desktops over law enforcement. So Microsoft defaulting to protecting the security needs of the common man over criminals seems entirely reasonable to me. Criminals (or the security/privacy conscious) can organize their enterprises to make sure that their BitLocker keys aren’t stored where law enforcement agencies can get them. And I say that as someone who really does have concerns about the possibility that this can be abused, but I still believe it’s a reasonable default.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by FpUser »

vetinari wrote: post #76
eric__cartman wrote: post #60

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Considering how unexciting new CPUs are nowadays I'd wager that a 10 year old computer in 2025 will still be perfectly usable for basic tasks such as email and web browsing. Something like an 8 year old i7 2700k is still very usable for a lot of home users. It might not be a beast when it comes to crunching numbers, but a big portion of the population would be happy using such a chip if you pair it with at least 8GB…

I have (a secondary) Thinkpad T430s, which is going to be 9 years old later this year. Since it is i7, with 16 GB RAM and 500 GB SSD, it is still a better computer than a median laptop sold today.

I have an old 2012 Asus G75VS gaming laptop with Core i7 upgraded to SSD and 32GB RAM. It works like a charm and beats modern cheap laptops to submission as well. However I do not really care if it can be upgraded to Windows 11. It runs few particular applications, is air gapped and will stay this way until it dies in order not to get some unwanted update/upgrade.

But if it was something like my spare development laptop I'd surely be pissed off at Microsoft. The way this laptop runs

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by madeofpalk »

eric__cartman wrote: post #27

I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…

> do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working

isnt that the whole point of Linux?

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by Narishma »

iamcreasy wrote: post #85
1stranger wrote: post #12

I don't understand this logic. The vast majority of people don't care what version of Windows they're running. They'll just keep running Windows 10 without a care in the world. Just like they keep running Windows 7.

I left my laptop, that ran Windows 7, running for a couple of hours, and came back to see a notification that says welcome to Windows 10.

Consider yourself lucky it only took 2 hours to install.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by arthurcolle »

mnd999 wrote: post #31
Aardwolf wrote: post #19

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If someone steals your computer, they also have the TPM, which has the key, right? What am I missing about what TPM does that is so secure?

The TPM combined with secure boot will only unlock the disk if nothings been tampered with, meaning your OS security is intact. If you switch off secure boot or mess with the kernel or boot loader it’ll just refuse to unlock. I would guess extracting the keys from the tpm in other ways is not impossible, but probably sufficiently hard to be not worth it in most situations.

So if you modify any components in a laptop, say RAM or a video card, or you you mess with any BIOS settings, it won't boot?

is this for real...?

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by madeofpalk »

quantumsequoia wrote: post #146
cpeterso wrote: post #70

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For an example of just how many people don't care about EOL'd operating systems: Microsoft's mainstream support for Windows 7 ended in January 2015 (and paid "Extended Security Updates" service ended in January 2020) and yet 21% of Firefox users are still running Windows 7: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware#goto-os-and-arch...

I think Firefox users are much more likely to be contrarian with their software decisions. I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to extrapolate from from data on Firefox users to the general population

You think Firefox users are going to be more likely to use an EOL-ed OS?
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