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Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by olah_1 »

novok wrote: post #140
nucleardog wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was part of how I settled on Telegram. Basically any western country can be secretly ordered to turn over all my information on the flimsiest of reasons, if it’s not already just intercepted through Five Eyes style arrangements. The chances of Russia volunteering to share my chat history with anyone that could actually impact my day to day life is pretty much nil, and I’m certainly not interesting to anyone in t…

Secret 1:1 & group chat by default like signal, well labeled non-secret large chat rooms, open source clients and using standardized encryption and they'd do pretty well amongst the privacy crowd too.

sounds like you’re describing Matrix. It’s a shame that the only user friendly mobile client is called “fluffy chat” and seems to be targeted at furries or children.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by qwertox »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #119
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Care to qualify that speculation with some evidence? It seems like whenever telegram is brought up here, there's a lot of speculation about it not being trustworthy but no concrete evidence. The client is open source. While not end to end encrypted by default, it shares that property with most messengers. E2E limits search-ability and other features so it's a tradeoff. I have to wonder if part of why this is mostly b…

This is one of the API entry points with which the apps communicate: http://149.154.167.51/

Nginx is currently at 1.21.0

Why wouldn't you care about your load balancer being so outdated? That's over 15 years.

There could be an explanation for this, but I'd have to put some unnecessary trust into it before I get the valid explanation. It is http and no https is offered on that server, which probably indicates that there's no need for TLS, that the communication is secure enough for it not to rely on TLS. But anyway...

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by [deleted] »

godelski wrote: post #46
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

I laughed at this, but am curious where you place Signal and Matrix in this analogy? Both feel like good services that aren't authorized, per say.

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Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by dheera »

fighterpilot wrote: post #115
dheera wrote: post #73

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The thing is though, apps that look native often look like they were made by beginners. The native look on both iOS and Android is also starting to look dated in terms of graphic design. Most popular apps don't use native design but rather artistically always a step ahead of native. Think of e.g. the Airbnb, Uber, Slack, Discord, Instagram apps. If Instagram or Airbnb used native iOS/Android design they'd lose users…

What I care about most is speed/latency. Uber and Slack look nice but they're rather slow. After a week, the "looks nice" part ceases to matter and all that's left is the annoyance of waiting 200ms-1000ms between every action.

I agree with that, but also 99% sure the latency in those apps have nothing to do with their graphic design and more to do with these apps waiting for an API roundtrip response before updating the UI, and possibly lots of analytics bloat.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by dt3ft »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #47
dt3ft wrote: post #25

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As long as the Russian government is able to keep funding it? :)

Can you please at least read the first paragraph of wikipedia before making allegations? Russian government hates telegram with a passion

Telegram is free. Who pays for it and why?

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by dt3ft »

rvz wrote: post #39
dt3ft wrote: post #25

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As long as the Russian government is able to keep funding it? :)

Any strong evidence of this? I mean actual links or investigations proving that? Or are you deliberately spreading unsubstantiated claims?

Strong evidence? Good luck with that. However, if a service costs millions per month to even exist and yet it is free to use, something does not add up. Or do you honestly believe that there is such thing as “free lunch”?

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by jhabdas »

colordrops wrote: post #166
truth_ wrote: post #153

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1. Having to share the phone number is the biggest issue for me. This shouldn't be the case in 2021. I can only use Signal with my close friends. OTOH, I can confidently share my Telegram handle with anyone I have known for a some months, even online (not in anonymus forums, of course). 2. Notifications in one platform is weird for me. 3. Video quality is extremely bad to the extent of unusable. 4. Completely agree w…

The whole point of signal is privacy, so the fact that it's tied to a number is insane to me. I have friends in china that can't use it because china blocks the verification SMS. It's otherwise great app IMO but this is nearly a fatal flaw.

Americans used to use unencrypted telephony every day because they expected the government to uphold constitutional guarantees. That day ended shortly after 9/11 and the passage of the Patriot Act, which I believe today is used against Patriots more than it is used on their behalf.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by jhabdas »

Egrodo wrote: post #86
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Curious how WhatsApp makes you feel screwed over? The work they do to ensure end to end encryption is impressive.

Facebook works directly with oppressive central governments to implement censorship against their citizens.[1] Some might consider that getting screwed over.

[1] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2019_Jakarta_protests_and_rio...

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by hansel_der »

xvilka wrote: post #74
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #52

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Telegram desktop client is written in C, takes 20MB or ram and can download 1,000 messages in 3 seconds. Teams takes 500MB of ram and pegs a quad-core cpu to 70% to updates some smileys

Even mobile Telegram is so small and efficient despite being feature-packed. Just compare 67Mb of the Telegram installed Android app with 156Mb of Discord, 623Mb of WeChat, etc.

thou for ppl that grew up with operating systems on floppy disks, 67MB is quite a load for a chat software ;)
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