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Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.
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> indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education What evidence do you have that it is happening and on what scale? My teachers, all that I recall, never presented any opinion or perspective as truth. It was always about thinking critically for ourselves. If, for example, they presented a well-established view on the sinking of the Maine , it was as material for our analysis and evaluation.
There are slides circulating on Twitter, apparently snapped during presentations given to educators in the context of diversity training, exhorting viewers to understand, say, punctuality as a manifestation of white supremacy. Set aside for a moment the very fair questions one can ask about the trustworthiness of these images. Ignore for now whether this was shown to 5 or 5000 eductors, etc. Let's just assume such in…
IMHO, and pertinent to the OP: That is out of textbook of how mis- and disinformation impacts human thinking: Observe something emotionally provocative and follow the urge to dive in, regardless of the reality: 'What if it's true???" I've trained myself not to do it.
I'm always interested in valuable, credible information. (And to be clear, it's not your job to educate me - that's my job - but it is your job to backup what you say.)
> slides circulating on Twitter
Is there any place where amount of propaganda is greater, in the history of the world, than on social media such as Twitter? It must be orders of magnitude beyond anything ever. Serious question: Why are you reading it? It's like digging through a garbage dump for coins.
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There's no evidence in the parent, just the opinions of a few political actors. > radicals have already successfully overtaken Western universities Ironically, this uses techniques from the OP. It's an emotional appeal - calling people radicals, catastrophizing, etc. - but there's no evidence and really no information. Hyperbole eliminates information; it's like screaming 'we're all going to die!'.
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Not only does that violate HN guidelines, and is irrational and ignorant, it's just propaganda against me. Have a nice day.
Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.
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Ask Republicans who won the election, and tell me it's something Democrats are doing.
That’s a stereotype. I tend red sometimes, but have no question who won the election. Maybe the issue is you see things that way due to what you see in the media and are told instead of from actual interactions with people from opposing viewpoints?
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news_and_polls/over-half-republi...
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I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.
> believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality. As I wrote in the opening post, once one learns about how the propaganda is done, what the techniques are, you start recognizing it all over the place. It's like when I took some courses in sales techniques. Then, I'd go to buy a car, and sure enough, the salesmens' pitches were right out of those courses. I neve…
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This kind of training on teachers is everywhere. Which is also wrong. Shall I wait on it? Or are you saying it is ok for those things to be taught in teacher training, but only wrong when it is taught to kids?
I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.
I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right now, above anything else: crank out social-justice warriors; get some reliable street troops on the ground for leftist causes.
Do NOT dare to tell me it is not like I describe.
1. Special presentations carved out from academic class time every day for black history month, with presentations about white privilege and other fodder to cultivate racial grievance.
2. A week devoted to BLM during that month, with similar time carved out each day from many classes for a presentation that included justifications for hate against white people and exhortations about how you should become an "Ally". Including a black poet that read that she was justified in calling white people "the devil" and lumped all white people who didn't jump to BLM action into the category of aggressors that deserve the violence of BLM protests.
3. "Open" class discussions after such presentations where everyone is called on to share their thoughts, but of course only certain thoughts are permissible and discipline is doled out to those who disagree.
4. A school-wide presentation by the "equity association" that re-enacted all the horrible things white people do to black people, such as saying they like fried chicken and watermelon, to demonstrate just how bad white people are all the time.
5. Gay pride month where they devoted more class time to special presentations and discussions, like Bill Nye saying that in addition to that little "sex" thing, there's also all these other more important dimensions like "gender" that need to be dwelled on.
6. Time off granted if you join a walk-out for preferred causes like global warming activism.
7. Posters around school lauding the actions of "world-changing" demonstrators. All leftist demonstrators of course.
8. Lots and lots of "No human is illegal" signs all over.
9. In my kid's school, at least one classroom decorated from top to bottom with Black Panther publicity and aggressive black-defiance messages.
10. In my spouse's teacher training, 100% of the time has been spent on "anti-bias" and "equity" training. Where no problem existed in the least.
11. School district hiring 6-figure "diversity consultants" by the dozen, all of whom will do nothing except arrange presentations such as I cited above. And then they claim to need a new tax levy to hire enough teachers or pay them decently.
So whatever you've seen in terms of CRT quizzes and stereotype pyramids, what you don't understand is that it's way worse than that. It's not just obnoxiously flooding kids with racial stereotypes. It's not just that that is a topic that is 100% unrelated to education. It's that they are cultivating racial grievance. And they are pitting student against student to get it done as completely as possible.
I'm a mild-mannered guy. And I've never been so pissed off in my life.
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I think you are taking a wide view of "honesty".
Is it dishonest for reporters to report factually-accurate on sensational crimes if the reporting leads people to believe sensational crimes happen often? Which circle of hell do I end up in for posting about Shark Week on social media?
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The message displayed at the end of that video: >At NASA, we're committed to making air, space, science and technology available for everyone because we know we're stronger and better together. It will always baffle me that people object to something as innocuous as that.
>"It will always baffle me that people object to something as innocuous as that. " This is just basic framing. Every movement wants to cast itself with broad and unobjectionable ideals. The devil is in the details with how you go about making things 'better for everyone' and that's where the real disagreement is.
It's a 1 hour read. I'd recommend to start a brief intro into Herman-Chomsky propaganda model: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model
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Since someone is going to bring this up otherwise: We ban accounts that do this regardless of which ideology they're flaming for or against. What color the flames are doesn't change the destructive effect they have on the intended use of this site.
Edit: actually, on a closer look, you've been breaking the site guidelines so often and so badly that I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.