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It's cool and reassuring that YC has no principles or morals other than "monkeys strong together"
It’s not a bad moral though.
We can do much better.
LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator
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#172I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…
Why would people have issues with you simply posting you...went and got a jab? Is there more to the story? Sorry genuinely curious, not trying to put fuel on the fire
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in Oakland. This incident seems to be back in early March. Back then the large vaccination sites were all listed on myturn.ca.gov (ie the Oakland Coliseum). They'd post new batches of appointments and they would be all booked really fast (within minutes or hours). But Curative was also running vaccinations sites in Oakland and Berkeley. They weren't listed on the myturn website, so people didn't know about the…
Hm. I'm not sure where the calculus lies on having a dose go slightly more slowly to populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young, affluent populations who are much less likely to die from it or get it. I am sure that those decisions should be made by the state, not the individual 25-year old who decides that they are deserving of the vaccine now . Also, many of those links t…
The government, well in this case multiple levels of state/federal/city/tribal governments all made up their own decisions on what defined one as eligible for the vaccine, and then randomly changed them. The government should not be the arbiter of one’s morality.
It was a mess and IMO difficult to assign anyone in the moral right in the distribution of vaccines.
For example, looking at the vaccine distribution from a utilitarian perspective and not a political-agenda perspective it would have made sense to give the vaccine to healthcare workers first and then grocery workers next, as society in general will collapse if people are not able to get groceries. In a strictly calculative sense society doesn’t care if a few more old people in a nursing home die, but if grocery stores are closed there will be food riots/massive problems in a few days.
But politicians know that old people vote. So we had the age-tiered system.
IMO both if these perspectives were misguided and the optimal way to handle it would have been to had over vaccine logistics to Amazon who could actually make a web app that doesn’t crash to register for vaccines and just go first-come first-served.
Instead we had to try to register via Kroger (I think) who was using a chatbot to register people which was not very effective or high throughput. Costco had spaghetti code and had embedded way too much information in the page source, no idea who designed their signup page either.
This incompetence and unneeded beauracracy by the government literally cost lives.
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#174I’m confused. So YC kicked out the guy who complained about it on Twitter and not the people who advocated for lying to skip lines? Wtf?
Lying to skip lines is probably considered "growth hacking"
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#175The behavior he's calling out is obviously abhorrent. But isn't this more due to him airing dirty laundry in public? If this is his last recourse after consulting internally to try and deal with this, then I get it. But there is definitely a trend (maybe not by him) of people running to social media with their complaints before discussing them with those involved. If that is the case i would understand his being sanc…
From the information available publicly, it's obvious the issue was him airing his grievance publicly. But being banned from YC is a fairly extreme measure - especially for an activity that has a hint of moral impetus. Both 'skipping vaccine lines' and 'immediately naming and shaming private conversations to the entire world' are kind of selfish and toxic signals. If I were the King of YC I would have had condescendi…
> 'immediately naming and shaming private conversations to the entire world'
I don't know if it was immediate, but I'm pretty sure there was no naming.
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I don't agree with this comment, but we should probably upvote it for credible argument's sake.
I agree with this comment and upvoted it for credible argument's sake
I read more about the location he got his shot from. He is most likely right that he did nothing wrong. Idk anything about the other person who supposedly bragged about skipping in line, but seeing as 1 of his 2 examples was incorrect, I'm going to assume the 2nd one is untrue too until I see something more than hearsay.
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#177I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…
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I'm not going to necessarily trust that reddit comment, especially when I know there were plenty instances of people lying about eligibility, and I think it is largely unlikely that most YC founders would have been eligible for this mobile clinic in west Oakland in mid-March.
Let's make three things very clear: - Lying to jump the queue, ahead of people who need it more is trashy, selfish, should be not just discouraged but heavily reprimanded. - A lot of the vaccine distribution is awful and disorganized. This often leads to vaccines being thrown away. - SHOTS IN ARMS. A vaccine in someone is better than a vaccine thrown away, even if it's not optimally distributed. "Just showing up" is…
The only problem with the three points you list is that the first and third are contradictory. We were literally throwing away vaccines here in the United States if they could not find anyone eligible to vaccinate.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does indeed have that vibe, and irrespective of what actually happened - it makes him look bad. If he was indeed talking about inappropriately skipping the line, then this guy is a bad actor. But I should point out that we don't have any idea - the situation could have been very misrepresented - and he could have done nothing wrong. But given the public information ... this Tweet is going to come of 'Snitches Get…
> Why are adults in the US using Twitter/GIF memes instead of finding thoughtful and mature ways This way they evoke more emotion, so, more of the unthinking (feeling-based) approval: retweets, reposts, just being remembered. When it's funny, it makes people happier along the way, when it's angry, it may make people also feel anger, but a righteous, just anger. It's a potent drug which is very hard to stop taking rec…
Memes pack more information and context into less content.
We're basically going through a mini printing press style communications revolution right now.
Before (say 1999) you had print which was cheap and audiovisual which was expensive/time consuming. Now thanks to tech audiovisual content is something the masses can use to communicate and it's affecting culture greatly.
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#180I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…
Your account may very well be biased but it astonishes me how many HN commenters are willing to chime in while knowing next to nothing about what actually took place. I know next to nothing and as such would typically hesitate to comment. Others appear to know next to nothing and appear very interested in sharing their opinions here, and I don’t quite understand why...
> Others appear to know next to nothing and appear very interested in sharing their opinions
The modern internet in a nutshell. Of course, this is nothing new. We just now have more powerful tools for doing it.
I wish saying "I don't know" or "I'm not sure but I'd like to learn more about that" was more widely valued.