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Life after an internet mob attack

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#171
I don’t have any strong opinions about this ordeal, but the linked ‘receipts’ seemed a bit one-sided to me.

Here’s one of the tweets he mentions without a link: https://twitter.com/boop/status/1332815338820472833?s=21

@boob also calls to light this write up seemingly with more context: https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/vcbrags-pasquale-mit...

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media or (at most) have an incredibly sanitized presence. Unless your job or livelihood revolves around needing to engage with a random internet audience (i.e. you're an influencer, entertainer, etc.) stay away from having a public persona on Twitter/Facebook/etc. The only community I interact with candidly tends to be this one. I don't post on Twitter, F…

I think rejection from society at large is a fundamental human problem. We went from literal witch hunts to figurative ones, but the concept and human psychology has more or less always been the same. The graph of meaningful human relationships is always going to be small and consist only of bidirectional edges. It's a road to accepting that and forging self-worth based on the people you know and care about, and who…

Adults are, generally, prejudiced, biased and unfair. Most people will have no problem with favouring their friends, but vehemently accuse others of favouritism, nepotism, etc. By nature, we are suspicious of strangers, and rightly so, but it's also holding us back in everything.

It takes active role models, introspection and life-long seeking of enlightened approaches, to break the mold. Few do, but when one do, many can follow.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#174
Somehow cruelty and hysteria have become socially acceptable. It is pure narcissism to make a spectacle, even in the case of someone with a real grievance.

I'm writing this comment via throwaway because people need to understand others have given this a lot of thought and if you get cancelled, there are good people who won't put up with that bullshit. There is more than hope.

A criminal defense attorney told me that more often than is comfortable to accept, accusers have a pattern of self-destructive relationships and the person they pick to accuse is just the most successful one in a line of many. The details are convincing because they really are true, but from other occurrences in their lives. The legal question is not whether or not the accuser is a victim of some kind, but whether the accused is responsible. In politics false accusations come with the territory and now a social media presence is politics.

All this talk of believing victims is the worst idea of all because a person who makes a spectacle is the one who is the least likely to be telling the truth during their performance. The simple truth is that men and women often lie. Prosecutors lie, police lie, witnesses lie, reporters lie, managers lie, employees lie, lawyers lie, mothers lie, fathers lie, kids lie, custodians lie, and yet somehow it is acceptable to destroy someone's life on the word of someone (and their friends) who makes a public display of being a victim?

Some victims are telling the truth, but everyone who makes a public display should be treated with extreme skepticism, and the louder they get, the less anyone should listen.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#175

From the linked Notion "Receipts" page: > I've struggled to understand why so many people have piled on to these absurd accusations without facts. I watched a similar situation play out in real time. A friend had to fire an employee who wasn't submitting work or even responding to communications. The employe retaliated by using their moderately large social media presence to disparage my friend and her company. Stran…

“It is absolutely essential that we believe Jussie Smollett. If we don’t, other people who haven’t been attacked might not have the courage to come forward.”

https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/4/wokes-on-you

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#176

I wouldn't call OP's post "receipts", but rather "his curated receipts." What makes more sense? Some dude has been creepy and only showed the positive side in his defense, or three random unrelated women -- who he claims only ever had lovely, adoring exchanges with him -- decided to destroy his life for no apparent reason. I mean, the former case has a precedent for happening almost habitually in the past, you'd have…

Remember what happened to ProJared?

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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post #9

The problem is previously we didn't listen to victims, and allowed them to be silenced. Now the pendulum has swung the other way, and we are listening unconditionally, but (occasionally) bad actors are taking advantage of our good intentions. How do we find balance?

The issue isn't bad actors taking advantage and the issue isn't listening to victims. We should absolutely keep listening unconditionally and there will always be bad actors. The problem is how we respond to what we hear. The core casue of the issue is treating online vigilante outrage mobs as an acceptable activity.

Problem is, for every victim, there are at least 10 people willing to fake victimhood for the attention alone.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is already a mechanism for conveying liability to the publisher (not the platform, but the tweeter/poster, as it should be) when they publish false claims of fact (ie lies).

Precisely: this does not work in practice! I see many reasons why, the first of which is just that most of the time the damage is already done by the time it goes to court, assuming you can find the real name behind the usernames that professed lies, and I'm not even talking about bots. That's why the liability has to rest on platforms -- and that's in addition to the publisher's liability. Edit: formatting

What you described also does not work, and perhaps does not work much faster. Under such a circumstance, Twitter would not be able to afford to permit any not manually-reviewed/moderated tweets to be posted at all, and would have to shut down.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#179
wow, although some of those false accusers deleted their twitter account - it's great to see the "Design advocacy @google" still active on Twitter and still employed by Google?

Hopefully they can pop on here and tell us why they behaved like such a horrible human? or how they think their job search will go - i wouldn't feel safe working with someone like that - false accusations on a public platform against someone who was already being falsely accused.

linked from the article

https://www.notion.so/Receipts-f7b8a6a4be0b43c28bed79484f242...

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#180

From the linked Notion "Receipts" page: > I've struggled to understand why so many people have piled on to these absurd accusations without facts. I watched a similar situation play out in real time. A friend had to fire an employee who wasn't submitting work or even responding to communications. The employe retaliated by using their moderately large social media presence to disparage my friend and her company. Stran…

Social media companies seem to optimize for virality. In such circumstances there are users who will learn to wield such capabilities to suit their goals
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