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Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by jiofih »

nindalf wrote: post #160
jiofih wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you could predict it, maybe you should consider taking that criticism seriously then instead of brushing it off as “boring”.

There's one person in this thread complaining about how tree style tabs was taken away from them in November 2017. It was yes, but it's also available now ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... ). How can I possibly take this person seriously? They're complaining about how something doesn't exist when it does. As for Pocket, I fail to see how someone's experience is ruined by the mere exist…

In what timeline would you take them seriously? Why would they stop complaining if nothing has changed? Your position is illogical, you’re simply refusing to even entertain the idea that they might have a point.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by pbronez »

dredmorbius wrote: post #73

For the Pocket haters: 1. Why? 2. How would you implement a replacement functionality, whether in or outside the browser itself? 3. If you're using an alternative now, what is it?

Personally, I like the Pocket button. Why?

(1) I was already a Pocket user

(2) Using Pocket in Firefox is a way for me to support browser's development that's not adtech.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by pbronez »

handrous wrote: post #169
agumonkey wrote: post #120

I use nightly regularly and was not excited by the new aesthetics, so I would join most of the other commenters here .. but to avoid weighing on the same side of the boat, I'd rather ask what would be a top 10 priority list of features to add / fix in firefox for the HN crowd ?

1 - Battery life. Their last big win was "now only as bad as Chrome, which is still pretty bad!" and that was a while ago. 2 - Resource use more generally. One shitty tab shouldn't make my whole system slow, even outside the browser. Safari (as with the battery life thing) manages this better than the rest. Do that. Those two are basically table-stakes to get me back to thinking about using it regularly. 3 - I gather…

100% would love to see broader protocol support.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by Minor49er »

dredmorbius wrote: post #76
Minor49er wrote: post #7

Every announcement makes me happier that I disabled auto updates several versions ago

From a UI/UX perspective, yes. From a security perspective: hell fucking no. You need those updates. Even if you're just doing plain-jane browsing, with no finance, commerce, professional, government, or personal interaction, you're putting your entire system at risk. (TailsOS users possibly excepted.)

Theoretically, perhaps. But I'm not super worried about it. I only visit a handful of sites and have scripts and third-party resources blocked by default and have HTML5 features disabled. I have Firefox (and all of my browsers) sandboxed in my system.

Most of the important bug fixes from Firefox as of late have been in these areas that I have disabled, such as WebGL rendering, responsive design mode, 3D CSS, custom fonts [1], WebRTC [2], and so on.

[1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2021-1... [2] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2021-1...

I'm more worried about some new feature introducing a security hole through one of these new features intended for modern browsing. Given the number of unfavorable changes that come with every release compared to the number of fixes, though, I'd rather just skip the auto updates for now. I only update when I (reasonably) know that nothing that I'm used to will be irreversibly broken/removed and when I have the time and patience to update my userChrome again to keep things as they are.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by 45ure »

gcommer wrote: post #92
estaseuropano wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the hate or why this seems to take so much headspace in so many (or at least here very vocal) minds. It's a single button, not flashy or animated or otherwise annoying. When the rest of the world spies on you or pushes crypto tokens and abuses websites by replacing their ads with own advertisements, that is what bothers you most and makes you consciously choose an outdated version?

Aside from being unwanted, it also is symbolic of much of Mozilla's worst behavior. During launch, it was specifically described as not being a paid placement: "There's no monetary benefit to Mozilla from the integration: Pocket didn't pay for placement in the browser"[1]. This way key to the discussion about why they chose Pocket over any other reading list plugins -- but this turned out to be a lie: "Hum. Apparentl…

>(I've had it disabled via pref since day 1, and then it started showing up on the new tab page regardless)

I have done the same. You can use this add-on to remove it from your new tab: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-tab-overr...

I am in agreement. Although you can tweak and customise FF endlessly, however, you shouldn't have to delve into about:config to disable a malignant feature. The comment by [pseudalopex] probably sums up my view.

Revenue is good. Sacrificing privacy for revenue is debatable. Misleading people about sacrificing privacy for revenue is dishonest.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by benhurmarcel »

JamesDeepDown wrote: post #15

The UI heatmap shows that nobody clicks Pocket, but the video highlights that pocket is "refreshed" and is part of the new design. Dear Firefox, that's not how things work.

It's moved with the rest of the extensions icons, where it's clear that you can remove it. It makes sense.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by nindalf »

jiofih wrote: post #171
nindalf wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's one person in this thread complaining about how tree style tabs was taken away from them in November 2017. It was yes, but it's also available now ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... ). How can I possibly take this person seriously? They're complaining about how something doesn't exist when it does. As for Pocket, I fail to see how someone's experience is ruined by the mere exist…

In what timeline would you take them seriously? Why would they stop complaining if nothing has changed? Your position is illogical, you’re simply refusing to even entertain the idea that they might have a point.

They have tree style tabs now, but still complain about its absence. What do you want from me here, haha.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by basch »

ralfn wrote: post #167
estaseuropano wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the hate or why this seems to take so much headspace in so many (or at least here very vocal) minds. It's a single button, not flashy or animated or otherwise annoying. When the rest of the world spies on you or pushes crypto tokens and abuses websites by replacing their ads with own advertisements, that is what bothers you most and makes you consciously choose an outdated version?

What is the point of firefox if it comes with spyware? This supposed feature is nothing more than a css tweak that somehow needs to upload your urls to this 3rd party provider that is not bound by the privacy guidelines of Mozilla. It is makes Mozilla a bunch of liars in a way that Google isn't lying. Actually. Google isn't sharing your data with another party. I wont be switching back to Firefox until they remove th…

>upload your urls to this 3rd party provider

First party provider. Mozilla owns Pocket.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Post by mariusor »

gcommer wrote: post #12

Their video on the front page contradicts itself. They highlight the UI coded by "user interaction" and no surprise, the Pocket button in the URL bar has tiny usage. And yet, in the new design? It's bigger and more prominent. And they try to say this is data-driven in the voice-over. Now, yet again, I'll have to just pin Firefox and stop updating it everywhere for a few months until the inevitable "undo all these cha…

Just to provide a contrary opinion, I find the pocket button very useful.

Pocket has out of the box integration with the Kobo ebook readers. This means that the amount of work I need to do to read an article on my device is one click[1]. That seems a lot better than any alternative that I know of.

[1] After, of course, authorizing both Firefox and the Kobo device.

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