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Can someone explain how you can train Data Scientists in 6 months? What jobs do these grads walk into? The tech prerequisite is: "You should feel extremely comfortable with how a computer works including: touch-typing, web browsers, search engines, and basic computer programs." The Curriculum: Stats, Linear Algebra AND Data Wrangling: 4 Weeks Modeling: 3 Weeks Data Engineering, Databases, SQL, Productionisation: 3 We…

> Stats, Linear Algebra AND Data Wrangling: 4 Weeks Ridiculous. Introductory statistics and linear algebra are two separate undergraduate level courses. And if you want a real grasp of statistics, you need to learn probability theory first, which is another semester long course. To say nothing of "data wrangling", whatever the fuck it means.

I was going to write this, almost exactly. Right down to the comment about "data wrangling". It's uncanny.

But since you did, I won't. Have an upvote instead.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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You know I like how it's a fast paced learning track that's better than 4 year degrees - no argument on that if. But this Austin Allred guy is one sketchy motherfucker. And seeing PG not reacting about the shitty reviews LambdaSchool is getting is the most hypocrytic thing I've seen at all. Aged like fucking milk.

why would PG care? His job was to get a bunch of hype for Lambda so their initial investment could be marked up to whatever the last raise put the company at. Austin is probably one of PG's favorite tech guys because he basically took a bootcamp, wrapped it in 1 legal nuance and with a fuck ton of twitter hype made PG/YC probably a 10x return.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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I'm not sure you appreciate the volume of utterly incompetent interviewers and processes now out there. I have 20 years of experience, a sizable catalog of open source work available for browsing, and yet even at this level I'm subjected to the nonsense that is leetcode. Another beef - I have yet to see an exercise which is remotely relevant to the work being done. Shuffling arrays, regurgitating interview preparatio…

Your interview process is not far from the ones I've been involved in and I think you make a number of compelling points. The onus remains on the hiring folks to actually put in the work required to follow a sane process. I don't understand why you're blaming these platforms for teams having bad interviewing practices. There's nothing wrong with hackerrank-esque platforms themselves. They're actually pretty sweet if…

> I don't understand why you're blaming these platforms for teams having bad interviewing practices.

Never said that I did. I said they were the worst thing to happen to tech, and elaborated that it's because of their overuse and abuse in hiring. Many good things start with good intentions and are abused.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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The levels of inhumanity and doublespeak in here are staggering. This post attempts to euphemize 65 people losing their incomes, and probably healthcare, to the point that it reads almost as farce. Not to mention what the impact will be on those remaining, students and staff alike. "...they believe it's impossible to make this model work. We strongly disagree." This is wildly insensitive to those involved. I find it…

Chill your hyperbolic outrage. We should be able to talk about sensitive topics like job loss intelligently and in context to the realities of building a startup. Working at a startup is inherently risky and the people who take on the risk are adults. They don't need you to defend them as if they're children

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Reading this feels a bit unfortunate, I was looking forward to making a post on next week's 'Who's Hiring May 2021' thread having finished their data science curriculum recently then polishing up my resume & personal site over the weekend. Going through a fully remote bootcamp backed by YC seemed like an excellent fit to be done in 6 months right around when second wave covid was about to hit, having been doing Advent of Code & Hackerrank challenges in Python for the better part of a year and was excited at the opportunity to formalize in-demand skills combining data analysis and programming.

While I think Lambda is doing a fairly decent job with the curriculum on the data science side (having been condensed from 9 -> 6 months); the job market has doubled down on being competitive through hard skills while the school has doubled down on training students in soft skills, and isn't providing enough resources to upskill before reaching the ceiling of becoming a mid-level software engineer within a few years of landing their first job. Some of the curriculum especially unit 3 felt like a chore where I had a lot of trouble with how quickly material was being crammed in, with almost no regard to ensure understanding of the previous day's. The forced mentor/mentee relationships and track teams also felt like I'd gotten zero value-add from, and Lambda continues to have the pitfall of no student accountability whilst passing forward multiple students who didn't contribute a single line of code to our build week projects that will need to be fully redone if showing them off as portfolio pieces.

This lack of being thorough and due diligence coupled with seeing recent posts in the #hired channel receive lower salary offers seems to have confirmed that not enough is being done to address the skills gap between college grads and the lousy reputation bootcamp grads have been getting as of lately. Having maxed out the amount I'm able to borrow in student loans & exceeding the max number of credits taken during my time at university to be eligible for a degree, a non-traditional education approach like Lambda really appealed to me and I wish the staff and school the best of success going forwards. Hopefully the Amazon partnership will be a stepping stone for big tech to tell Lambda and the broader hiring market what they want from junior developers in an ever-tightening labor market. The CS and labs units felt like an excellent experience and the students in our labs project have been valuable to work directly with on a real-world software engineering application.

Disclosure: I have no contractual agreements with an ISA.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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> Federal government is backing almost all the student loans, but universities automatically increase their tuitions. On the condition of getting the federal student loan is that the loan is exempts from bankruptcy. The loans follow us to the death or until it is paid off. It actively screws those naive students until to the point of no return. I have a friend who is still stuck paying the loan more than 15 years bec…

On the other hand, this sort of needs to exist on some level for two reasons: 1. If you go bankrupt, most stuff can be taken away if you can't pay for it. I can take your car, house, etc, but I can't take you education. You still have the full and complete value of that, so I'm not sure it's obvious that bankruptcy should remove the debt. 2. When you graduate, you typically haven't really got any money yet. It would…

You should look up bankruptcy laws. They can probably take your house, but oftentimes debtors reaffirm their mortgage to avoid that scenario. You can keep one car used as transportation to and from work, and like 90% of your personal property unless you were already loaded. It really only forces you to sell off assets. You have to meet specific discretionary income to debt forumulae to apply, which locks a lot of people out of bankruptcy as an option.

Your second point is fair, though. That's why student debt shouldn't be a thing.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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Waterloo CS/Eng coop for instance, often pays itself off.

I hear Yale law grads tend to do ok too. You can cherry pick, but with most random programs the value prop is much less obvious. And there are hundreds of them for every stand out program. In CS particularly you are probably ok right now, but it doesn’t generalize well, like your example. [edit] if not clear, I’m not arguing post-secondary isn’t worthwhile, just picking a program like Waterloo isn’t good evidence.

I don't really agree - having a STEM degree from an accredited university gets you pretty far. Unless you're going to an elite school for a given field, it doesn't really matter what you pick. An elite school's degree is better than alternatives, but a STEM degree in general is better than not having one (for STEM industries).

Going to a mediocre state school for CS will pay itself off quickly, regardless of which school.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

#178

You know I like how it's a fast paced learning track that's better than 4 year degrees - no argument on that if. But this Austin Allred guy is one sketchy motherfucker. And seeing PG not reacting about the shitty reviews LambdaSchool is getting is the most hypocrytic thing I've seen at all. Aged like fucking milk.

I find this very interesting too. Firstly, let's be charitable and assume PG can look beyond any investment he has in judging this. I think he'd look at it then as some potholes on the way to an eventual smooth highway. He likes disruption of old, flawed ways. He likes motivated sorts doing the disrupting. Airbnb and Uber and the like are not without their own bumpy roads.

And the potholes here are lay-offs for people who otherwise saw employment for a period with Lambda. Or payments to Lambda that trigger only when you're making money yourself. He might think of those as reasonable downsides en route to a more polished, future Lambda service.

The model itself (pay if you earn) isn't outrageous. We had something similar (but government-based) with HECS in Australia, that's evolved a bit since.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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I think the value is similar to the value of a personal trainer. There's no rocket science involved in maintaining fitness, but many people find value in the added accountability and planning support.

serious question: Why isn't there a service "personal trainer for coding"? Not so much for juniors looking to get into the industry, but... I'm sure there's a continuous pipeline of high-value people who would pay $$$ to keep them accountable to doing say three coding exercises a week while they are getting ready to switch jobs or are between jobs.

Damn, build it and I'll be your first signup as a trainer.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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I think most people who would be considering bootcamps are comparing it to a traditional 4-year college curriculum -- at least I did. I enrolled in the full-time web program a few years back and this was the back-of-the-napkin math I used to make my decision: Total Hours of College: 4 years, of which 2 years are "core" coursework and 2 years are general education. 2 Years * 2 semesters per year * 15 weeks per semeste…

I have trouble getting students to concentrate on difficult material for anywhere near a whole class even if it's their only class of the day (and I'm considered a good and entertaining professor, honest). No WAY I could get anyone to concentrate on difficult material for 40 hours per week. I mean really no way, even if I were a teaching genius. Learning difficult material means taking breaks and digesting stuff subc…

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