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Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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The two systems are not otherwise identical, so I don't see that "you could buy an Android" as a reasonable alternative (I own one). I also don't see the issue in that you can install apps from another store, since it is fairly easy to put up a warning "Apple has not approved any of the apps you can buy from this store".

So customers that want a more secure system should have no option? Isn't it a fair assumption, based on how consumers see Apple, that all software running on an Apple device is approved by Apple? The App Store always had that concept built in. On your Mac you can still run anything you want outside of the App Store, but there's always going to be security instrumentation and app review that costs real time and money.…

Sure, their option is not to install another appstore in the first place.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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So customers that want a more secure system should have no option? Isn't it a fair assumption, based on how consumers see Apple, that all software running on an Apple device is approved by Apple? The App Store always had that concept built in. On your Mac you can still run anything you want outside of the App Store, but there's always going to be security instrumentation and app review that costs real time and money.…

Sure, their option is not to install another appstore in the first place.

And your option is to not buy an Apple device. See how consumer choice goes both ways?

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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> situations are unprecedented (where a company builds a market completely controlled by itself) not really. Malls are in a similar situation. If you own the mall, you get to dictate whether the tenants are allowed or not. They pay rent to remain in the mall, and there's some rules they must follow or they get kicked out (rules which are made clear upfront). The difference between a mall and the app store is that the…

I dont consider that a good analogy - if a mall closes a cinema because it doesn't like a movie, or a bakery because it baked a cake, there would be legal repercusions for them while apple's developer contract doesn't seem to have lots of legal protections for the seller, or the buyer. Also, a mall doesn't benefit from dictating these decisions in a direct way the way apple does: apps are selected on the basis of imp…

> if a mall closes a cinema because it doesn't like a movie, or a bakery because it baked a cake,...

Would they though? If a movie theater refuses to show a certain movie, that’s legal. A mall is just refusing to house a tenant they don’t agree with. Apartment owners are allowed to refuse to rent to you for any reason (not covered under a protected class).

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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If you trust Macy's and you don't trust Bloomingdale's then just keep shopping at Macy's. There's no need for you to ban Bloomingdale's for everyone else. A store and the vehicle I drive to get their shouldn't be tied. Imagine buying a car from Apple and it only being able to drive to Apple licenses stores. Apple can still have the App Store and most users will still only use it. (see Google Play). Banning other stor…

I don't understand this argument. You are using car and store but apple isn't selling a phone and an app store, it's selling you the Apple experience (and my understanding is that is literally how apple thinks about it), and if you don't like it, you can easily buy one of the many android phones. > Banning other stores does zero for Apple and their customers. I don't think this is true at all. Apple gets to retain al…

No, my argument is Apple should not be in control of MY device. A car company should not be able to choose where I can go or what things or people I can have in my car. A housing company should not be able to decide who can I have in my house or what companies I can shop for furniture and/or decorations. A refrigerator company should not be able to decide where I can buy groceries or what things I'm allowed to store in my refrigerator. And, a computer company should not be able to decide what content, including apps, I'm allowed to put in my computing device.

If you want safety in any of those situation you are free to choose at some shop you trust but no company should be allowed to limit where I shop.

You claim there are good and valid reasons for a closed system. I claim those reasons are invalid and/or immoral. In an open system you can choose better stores. In a closed system the better stores are banned. To take one example, Real Chrome is more secure than Safari. This is provably true by reading the CVE lists. They have about the same amount of bugs but Chromes bugs have 7x less "arbitrary code execution" than Safari. But, I'm not allowed to run a more secure browser on iOS. Another example is the Hong Kong app that Apple banned. Apple has no requirement to carry any particular app but it's immoral IMO for them to control the phone itself such that such important apps can't be installed in other ways. Yet another would be sexuality apps. Apple censoring such apps is arguably as immoral as banning LGBT people from anything. Apps are speech as ruled by the Supreme Court, and there are plenty of topics that are conveyed better via an app then a book/video but Apple's banning of apps means that while they allow you to download sexualized books and movies they don't allow you to download sexualized apps. That's a severe form of repression and is immoral

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