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Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

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Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, putting a couple of USB drives in a sock drawer, garden shed, etc. is pretty secure. Point 2 is the tricky one, as communicating that necessity seems challenging.

Unless your house burns down, or you get flooded out, etc.

Yes, that's why the garden shed or some other non-house location is good (leaving it with relatives in another city would be good too, and at work would be an option for some).

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Standard Notes is a phenomenal note taking app and one of the first to bring encryption in note taking. They take security very seriously and have multiple third party audits. With that said, the bad outweigh the good. I don't mean to be a pessimist here (SN is inspirational) but: 1. Their free plan is extremely lacking. You can't even try out many of their editors. 2. Their pro plan mostly only offers editors. I am…

I used the app quite actively for a couple of years and maybe had one conflict at most.

Maybe I don’t do edits as intensely as you do.

The free plan was perfectly adequate for the first year, then I explored the editors in the paid plan but found I got used to plain text much more so switched off all the add-ons. Was happy to compensate developers for a great app.

Forgotten password recovery is very simple:

Export an unencrypted backup on one device, delete the account from everywhere, recreate the account, reimport the backup.

Search in a single big list worked absolutely fine for me but maybe it’s just the way my brain works :-)

I didn’t notice much feature disparity but then again maybe I just like minimalism.

Same about the UI - it’s perfect. Very fast and no clutter.

Not sure what is absurd about their pricing. I paid the 5 year plan mainly as a token of thanks, because the app is absolutely perfect for my taste and use.

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I really miss tomboy (not the new ng version). I used it for years and it was amazing. Rich text without having to use markdown. Razor fast responsiveness when searching. Instant hyperlinks just by typing the name of another note. Excellent keyboard shortcuts too. I really miss it but it was no longer maintained and falling into disrepair on newer OSes due to lacking support for DPI scaling and dark modes. I use onen…

Onenote is not end to end encrypted. Total nonstarter.

OneNote does allow you to password protect (which encrypts) sections within a notebook, however.

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Standard Notes is a phenomenal note taking app and one of the first to bring encryption in note taking. They take security very seriously and have multiple third party audits. With that said, the bad outweigh the good. I don't mean to be a pessimist here (SN is inspirational) but: 1. Their free plan is extremely lacking. You can't even try out many of their editors. 2. Their pro plan mostly only offers editors. I am…

Is the cryptography protocol documented anywhere?

The link on your website under the end-to-end heading leads to the Privacy Policy, that only mentions "XChaCha20-Poly1305-IETF & Argon2" which is far from enough details, especially for a closed source app with no audits.

From the names it sounds like you use libsodium, which is good, but it doesn't make rolling your own protocol safe.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

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post #172

Standard Notes is a phenomenal note taking app and one of the first to bring encryption in note taking. They take security very seriously and have multiple third party audits. With that said, the bad outweigh the good. I don't mean to be a pessimist here (SN is inspirational) but: 1. Their free plan is extremely lacking. You can't even try out many of their editors. 2. Their pro plan mostly only offers editors. I am…

I used the app quite actively for a couple of years and maybe had one conflict at most. Maybe I don’t do edits as intensely as you do. The free plan was perfectly adequate for the first year, then I explored the editors in the paid plan but found I got used to plain text much more so switched off all the add-ons. Was happy to compensate developers for a great app. Forgotten password recovery is very simple: Export an…

It's great that SN works well for you but reading about your workarounds/compromises do not make SN better but you as a user better.

For example, as you detailed, there is a way to recover your password but you have to do all the steps manually (although I still don't know how you are going to delete your account without your password...).

> Same about the UI - it’s perfect.

I am curious as to how no context menu for notes makes for a perfect UI for you.

The point is of course there are workarounds and ways to make things work for you and that's okay for a free app. If you pay for a service, you want that service to do every thing you want because that's the whole point.

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Standard Notes is a phenomenal note taking app and one of the first to bring encryption in note taking. They take security very seriously and have multiple third party audits. With that said, the bad outweigh the good. I don't mean to be a pessimist here (SN is inspirational) but: 1. Their free plan is extremely lacking. You can't even try out many of their editors. 2. Their pro plan mostly only offers editors. I am…

I have tried many note-taking apps. From Evernote to Google Keep to OneNote to Standard notes yo plain old notepad to Zotero to Word and really honestly many more. If you say this list is all over the place, then that is because requirements vary depending on purpose, not the other way around. After almost a decade of experimenting, I have come to realise that the best note-taking tool by far is org-mode. It is free,…

> its tied to Emacs

"What's emacs?" that's what a your every day Joe is going to ask you. The very reason note apps/platforms exist is to simplify the on boarding process. Of course that's a two edged sword. You give normal users an easy way out but now pro users get frustrated because they can't use their favorite tool.

I am sure org-mode is as good as you say though.

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Standard Notes is a phenomenal note taking app and one of the first to bring encryption in note taking. They take security very seriously and have multiple third party audits. With that said, the bad outweigh the good. I don't mean to be a pessimist here (SN is inspirational) but: 1. Their free plan is extremely lacking. You can't even try out many of their editors. 2. Their pro plan mostly only offers editors. I am…

> 7. Their pricing seems absurd. I actually really like their pricing model. You can buy years in advance, and they occasionally offer steep discounts (I think I bought two decades in advance around new year?). In a time where more and more services offer me no other way than some crappy monthly subscription that I cannot pay in advance and without auto-renewal, this is really much appreciated. That being said, a lot…

> Their 'lack of new features' however is, as far as I understood, somewhat intentional.

Um that sounds great but I don't see how a simple thing like a "right-click menu" endangers longevity? All their talk of simplicity and yet they allow you to add a whole spreadsheet editor? I suppose adding editors is simple stuff that's why they have so many. Maybe longevity = less work?

Features are not bad. Some features are necessary. Some features enhance the general user experience and even make things simpler. Stagnation is not longevity, it's just slow death.

As for pricing: sure, the long term plan is appealing but they ask $9/mo? Which is the most expensive note taking app out there, I think.

You buy for 5 years or 20 years but what if nothing in the service changes in 20 years but your situation/use case changes drastically as is normal? What do you do of the additional money you paid? You can't get it back.

I don't think 5 year commitment speaks of longevity, that's just marketing. Longevity would be them taking the money after 5 years, not before.

I personally love monthly models because I spend exactly the amount I need and I can stop/pause when I want and start it again when I want. Its freedom and there's no commitment. That's why I added only 1 monthly plan in Notesnook.

A service should ask you to commit long term because the risk is always too high. Instead it should allow for multiple ways to get your data out in case it ever goes down. And if it goes down, you can be sure that you lose only 1 month of fees.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

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Does Standard Notes require a network connection to store data, or is data stored locally and synced when a network connection is available? I wonder how important (offline) local first storage of data is these days to users of these types of apps?

It is stored locally (encrypted) and then synced when a connection is available. Personally, I write enough notes on my phone in situations without an internet connection (airplane travel, subway commuting etc) that losing local storage would be a deal-breaker for me.

Many thanks!
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