Live data from Hacker News

How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

untappedbrilliance.com

171–180 of 204 posts

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(US specific advice) I felt like my GP was really only good for getting the ball rolling: I asked her to refer me to a psychologist for testing and she did. To be honest, I think you could skip the GP step and just meet with any clinical psychologist to discuss with that person your concerns about ADHD. Their office should be able to tell you if they can do ADHD testing before you go in. Some psychiatrists may test a…

Here's where my misconceptions may start: it seem to me like meds are the only real treatment. This could be wrong. IIRC, psychiatrists don't have that tool in their toolbox, so would a psychologist or neurologist be better? And to be clear, I'm not just looking to get meds. But I'd like to avoid pinging in between different doctors. So if I can go to one that has all available tools at their disposal, that would see…

> it seem to me like meds are the only real treatment. This could be wrong.

I'll comment on this, as a neurologically tested ADHD 30 year old with 2 decades of on/off medication experience.

"Treatment" is a spectrum, unsurprisingly, and a bit of a misnomer. While I'm not completely on board with the "ADHD is actually a superpower" train of thought, I do believe that there are some interesting tradeoffs that having it can benefit in some ways - obviously that's different for every person. If you start throwing away the concept of being binary "treated" or not, you can start thinking in terms of "what is working for me right now". Sometimes being medicated is a life changing benefit, and other times in my life I'm waaay better off without medication.

It's important to distinct the two, because what medication can get you is a better understanding of the daily patterns that work best for you, and it is (in my opinion) the best way to start building that understanding. Sometimes medication is the only way for me to reach a certain place I want to be, and no medication can do the same, but I firmly believe that the habits I build during medicated periods of time help me make the most out of my non medicated periods.

For what it's worth, when I talk about on/off periods -- I was medicated in middle school through high school, took my first two college years off, got back on the next two, final year of college was no medication, got back on for 2ish years when I entered the workforce, then took the next 4 years off. I'm back on it now. I don't really consider week or weekend breaks an off period.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#172
post #84

I really dislike this sort of blog. Every article feels like it was written for their affiliates and for search engines, and rarely for the readers. It's certainly not written for people with ADHD. Here's the only useful paragraph in the article: > This idea came from Megan, a guest on Hal Elrod’s podcast. Megan explained she keeps track of all the books she reads in a spreadsheet. Each time she finishes a book she a…

As a fellow ADHD-er, completely agree about reading conditions, like the environment and how well the book is suited to your tastes/mood, rather than an organizational system. The one place I've been able to read a book cover-to-cover in a single sitting was while backpacking. Found a comfy rock in shade, got into the Reading Zone, got through all of Andy Weir's "Artemis" that day.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#173

The article lacked substance but I am glad that we are talking about reading with ADHD here. I don't feel guilty about not finishing books because most of the times if I force myself to finish a book that I don't find interesting enough, I don't remember the information in the book anyway. Over time I have learned to trust my brain, and figured that it will remember the important parts I read. If the book bores me th…

Do you follow a certain system for taking notes for non-fiction books?

Not OP, but I mostly highlight and occasionally sprinkle in some text pointers. My goal is for future me to be able to pick up the book and only have to review the highlights to understand the important points.

Occasionally I’ll also use an index card as a bookmark and write page numbers with 1-2 word summaries of big ideas.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(US specific advice) I felt like my GP was really only good for getting the ball rolling: I asked her to refer me to a psychologist for testing and she did. To be honest, I think you could skip the GP step and just meet with any clinical psychologist to discuss with that person your concerns about ADHD. Their office should be able to tell you if they can do ADHD testing before you go in. Some psychiatrists may test a…

Here's where my misconceptions may start: it seem to me like meds are the only real treatment. This could be wrong. IIRC, psychiatrists don't have that tool in their toolbox, so would a psychologist or neurologist be better? And to be clear, I'm not just looking to get meds. But I'd like to avoid pinging in between different doctors. So if I can go to one that has all available tools at their disposal, that would see…

So, a psychiatrist is an MD and, as such, can prescribe medicines. The psychologist is-- to all intents and purposes-- a therapist. (I'm painting with super broad brushes here, there are psychiatrists that operate as therapists first and medicine prescribers second, etc.) I suggested a clinical psychologist because they're usually the ones who have the training to act as a therapist while also understanding how the brain works. They're often the people trained to assess someone for ADHD.

No matter what, any good doctor will want to have you assessed by a psychologist or a psychiatrist. You may want to ask your GP if he or she is willing to prescribe the medicine provided a psychologist/psychiatrist diagnoses you. That's usually the easiest thing to do.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#175

No. ADHD does not work this way for me, or people like me who are inattentive . This article is the equivalent of the time my primary care physician said, “just use a calendar”. You want me to maintain a set of documents? Buddy, without meds I can’t remember to brush my fucking teeth. I’m not exaggerating. ADHD is a spectrum, articles like this paint everyone with the same brush, which furthers many people to feel li…

Thanks, this comment reminded me to brush my teeth.

More seriously, I think that people have a tendency to mix up broad, high-level symptoms of ADHD with the more specific ways that those symptoms manifest for them.

For some (not all) people with ADHD, acting on their motivations is very difficult; so the technique they come up with to help is to either drastically increase their motivation (moving up deadlines and hyper-stressing about tasks, or rewarding themselves, or whatever), or to try and decrease the barriers of entry to the task (automating parts of it, getting help from another person, etc...)

So it sounds like this author falls somewhat into that category, and one of the specific reasons they've found for them personally that's a barrier to reading is guilt over the idea that they aren't finishing books. And what they've done is given themselves permission not to finish books, which allows them to read more overall. Which, great. Genuinely glad that works, and it might work for other people too.

But lots of people who fall into that category of struggling with executive dysfunction are not going to have the same barriers over reading. For many of them, turning reading into a chore will actually be counterproductive. Having a document that you forget to review every week might increase guilt. "Read to find one improvement" might not even line up with why they're motivated to read books in the first place.

And that's obviously ignoring that ADHD also covers people who struggle with inattentiveness and other problems that could also be a barrier to reading more -- but the point is, just because a solution works for one person with ADHD, it might not be applicable even to other people who are struggling with the same problem, because the general issue "I can't act on my motivations" is still going to manifest differently and have different solutions depending on what the individual's barriers are to a specific task.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#177
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ridiculous double standard is that we see physical devices -- glasses, hearing aids, canes, as corrective, but drugs that treat disabilities are seen as "crutches", which happens to also be a physical metaphor, but one that implies some transience, suggesting that eventually we'll get better and not need the drug. Try telling a deaf or blind person that their assistance devices are "crutches" they'll eventually n…

I think you might have been missing his point. It came off to me that he was trying to defend drug addicts not shame people using drugs. Like if you have no money the way you might treat your anxiety is different than the way the wealthy developer does. Someone might get a new prosthetic leg, but they might have to fight their asses off to learn how to not rely on their former chair or crutches and they’ll likely kee…

You read me right. We stigmatize low income people as “addicts” and throw them in prison. People have pain and other issues which will cause them to seek drugs and other solutions. That’s a fact of human nature. We shouldn’t classify that as good or bad based entirely on a person’s access to healthcare. But we do.

My second point is that we have a system where the capitalist incentive structure is driving the drug seeking. People need these drugs to “function” only in the sense of attaining better wages or holding a job. That has nothing to do with medical need. It is capitalism perverting medicine, defining mental health as employability seems misguided at best.

Lastly, neurolink. Do the the math.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#178
post #64

The article lacked substance but I am glad that we are talking about reading with ADHD here. I don't feel guilty about not finishing books because most of the times if I force myself to finish a book that I don't find interesting enough, I don't remember the information in the book anyway. Over time I have learned to trust my brain, and figured that it will remember the important parts I read. If the book bores me th…

I don't have the diagnosis but certainly recognize add elements in how I navigate the world. My conclusion was that there are actually quite a lot of books that just start out great and objectively become worse as the page count goes up (like The subtle art of not giving a F. You really start feeling "yeah, ok, I get it." There are also books that are the other way around (like Atlas shrugged) where you struggle thro…

I'm not sure I've ever found a non-textbook science/math/philosophy book where the last chapter or two wasn't entirely skippable. There seems to be the point where the authors start stretching past what they really know and into more speculative, almost like they are planning the next book. I don't blame them, but it's not what I'm in that book for always.

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#179
post #133

My solution is walking while I read. As a result, I end up walking for 4-6 hours at a time when I have a lot of reading to do. My biggest struggle is finding good e-readers that can handle all the reading formats I need, sync annotations, and have good connectivity. Still haven't found one. I'm not sure they exist yet. I also find myself saving things to read, because I struggle to read them while sitting, but never…

Any tips on how to read while walking?

Wear noise-cancelling headphones for maximum immersion and don't take your eyes off the page to avoid losing your place. As a bonus, take your walks in high-traffic areas so that everyone can see how smart and productive you are!

Re: How to Read Books When You Have ADHD

#180

No. ADHD does not work this way for me, or people like me who are inattentive . This article is the equivalent of the time my primary care physician said, “just use a calendar”. You want me to maintain a set of documents? Buddy, without meds I can’t remember to brush my fucking teeth. I’m not exaggerating. ADHD is a spectrum, articles like this paint everyone with the same brush, which furthers many people to feel li…

Brushing your teeth is a great example - I just brushed mine after reading this. It seems like there are so many things people just take for granted - remembering what you're supposed to do today specifically in addition to the 100 things normies seem to do automatically, knowing what day it is. The only thing that's helped consistently is using Google to "remind me to call the school in 20 minutes"

I use my Android phone's stock alarm app for reminders, set to a very annoying ringtone. It works great about 50% of the time when I actually have the opportunity to stop what I'm doing and do what the alarm says...
Post reply on HN