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Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by wdn »

eli wrote: post #98
Justsignedup wrote: post #53

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Not disagreeing with you on it. But to stop google we'd need acts of legislature from multiple countries. At best we'll see results in 5 years. MS can't wait that long for a maybe sort of kind of. Just being practical here.

I'd bet that we see a serious US antitrust investigation into Google within the next year. No new legislation needed.

No there won’t. The only reason why there was an anti-trust case against MSFT back in the day was because MSFT was too busy making and neglected to do political “contributions”.

Silicon Valley took noticed and now they are the top political “contributors”.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by livre »

nojito wrote: post #110
livre wrote: post #21

While this is likely yet another bad move by Microsoft I hope this pushes web devs to start focusing on web apps and puts a stop to all those websites packaged with a browser that are around 200MB each.

How is this a bad move? They are promoting the ability to pin websites on the taskbar.

I think I used the wrong word, I meant to say this is likely going to become another wasted effort for something people aren't going to use much or at all.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by vetinari »

1_player wrote: post #157
vetinari wrote: post #131

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It doesn't do that, if you install git in some other way (via homebrew, or manually). So it is definitely different from this: > even after installing Python from the official website, if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" instead of "python", you'll instead trigger an unhelpful link to the Microsoft Store

The point is that python3 was already in place, and the package on the official website only created the python executable, so the stub linked to the Microsoft Store wasn't overwritten. This is no different than macOS. If you don't overwrite the existing stubs, you get the "install xcode" message when running git or cc. But if Apple does it, it's OK because they're the good guys.

There's no overwriting stubs in MacOS. With SIP enabled, not even root can write into /usr (the apple stub is /usr/bin/git).

Many users use git from homebrew; once you do 'brew install git', the stub won't bother you, despite homebrew not overwriting anything. It is just earlier in the $PATH. And that's the issue with Windows: the standard installer does create python3.exe, it is just later in the %PATH%, because Microsoft placed the stub in one of the early directories. Normal, well behaved installer, which places its entry at the end won't be able to override anything.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by BugWatch »

Shadonototro wrote: post #167

Microsoft love implementing features that make me want to disable everything including Windows Update How many people doesn't get updates today because they got sick with the way they were doing windows updates back in the "forced restarted" early days This bloat culture at microsoft has to stop, please!

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All my auto-updates are off. I only update "manually" and one thing for the duration, so that I can isolate any eventual issues.

And Microsoft Updates specifically are banned for at least 6 months. I wasn't affected when it occurred, but I sure as hell won't let them exercise their incompetence of the "update deletes your data, users are our testers in production" kind upon me. (INB4: Yes, I do backup.)

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by arminiusreturns »

Shank wrote: post #149
arminiusreturns wrote: post #88

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Yes, and as a linux admin and user who is stuck on MacOS for work, it drives me absolutely nuts, even more so when people defend apple or microsoft with justifications that the other does it. They both suck.

I don't really think being told to run `xcode-select --install` is worse than being thrown into the Microsoft Store, because one is a flow-breaking action, and the other is not. If I'm at a Terminal and I don't have something installed, the fastest way to resolve the problem is with a Terminal command.

It's not that simple. That command forced me over to the app-store to log into my apple id the last time I ran it for example. You may run it enough or be inside the ecosystem enough that you haven't run into that, but then when my apple-id had errors (I don't buy apps, and only have it because apple forces you to, so I almost never log in with it), I couldn't install xcode... and had to go find a fix on some random forums. Now that I finally fixed all that, the updates are smoother, but it wasn't a pleasent initial experience and did not allow me to stay in the terminal.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by 1_player »

vetinari wrote: post #173
1_player wrote: post #157

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The point is that python3 was already in place, and the package on the official website only created the python executable, so the stub linked to the Microsoft Store wasn't overwritten. This is no different than macOS. If you don't overwrite the existing stubs, you get the "install xcode" message when running git or cc. But if Apple does it, it's OK because they're the good guys.

There's no overwriting stubs in MacOS. With SIP enabled, not even root can write into /usr (the apple stub is /usr/bin/git). Many users use git from homebrew; once you do 'brew install git', the stub won't bother you, despite homebrew not overwriting anything. It is just earlier in the $PATH. And that's the issue with Windows: the standard installer does create python3.exe, it is just later in the %PATH%, because Mic…

That's what I meant by overwriting: just placing it earlier in your $PATH. Overriding perhaps was a better word.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by Zren »

livre wrote: post #21

While this is likely yet another bad move by Microsoft I hope this pushes web devs to start focusing on web apps and puts a stop to all those websites packaged with a browser that are around 200MB each.

Providing an Electron app probably has the same reasons behind it as providing an app instead of improving the website.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by Beached »

local_dev wrote: post #129
izacus wrote: post #29

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The fact that they regularly "accidentally" reset the default browser or "suggest" Edge on my Windows 10 machine is probably helping those numbers a lot.

How often have you had windows switch your default browser? Genuinely curious as I've been using Windows 10 since release and have never had my default browser switched away from Firefox.

I've been on w10 since release too, and i can't recall it ever changing default apps. I also don't have the cmd adds or the task bar adds these people are talking about either.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by Beached »

jonatron wrote: post #34

I spent hours at the weekend making a windows 10 image with as much bloat disabled as possible. It looks like after just a few days, Microsoft have given me more stuff to remove. I only use it for gaming, so maybe my efforts would be better spent on getting games to work on Linux?

what version are you running. I reinstall my os every year, and I only disable start menu bing suggestions. I have no adds or default bloatware in my win10 pro and I've been doing this for years.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by ChrisSD »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #143
stinos wrote: post #134

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if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" Funny thing is, this is actually wrong on Windows and always has been. Unless I'm missing something. I recently traced back the earliest python3 installer on the official ftp site of python.org and even that one didn't have a python3 command. No official installers seem to have had it. Nor does an Anaconda install. So I don't really know why the 'official' (that i…

The official Python installer in the Windows App store installs a handler for python and python3 .. or rather, the stub of the handlers already on your system calls into the app store and it's behavior changes after installation. Regardless of the technical implementation, after you install Python3 from the app store, running python3 from the command line will open the Python interpreter. No clue why the standard non…

The standalone installer is quite old and frankly weird. You're meant to use `py -3` or something like that. I don't know why it works this way. Tbh I think the official store installer works much more sensibly.
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