Nothing to see here, people, this has been already reported as a bug and hopefully be fixed soon: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/11177
Not sure if you were joking, but that issue was promptly closed and marked as spam.
Et Tu, Signal?
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Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#172This article mirrors my feelings toward this announcement well. I spent a significant amount of time trying out different messaging apps and convincing my friends and family to move over from Telegram and WhatsApp. I used my reputation and their trust in my expertise. The whole blockchain industry is just too mixed with scams that I feel comfortable to have my non-tech relatives dealing with it. It's enough that I ha…
What would you say are the cons of Telegram? I've been highly impressed with the UX for quite some time, but have refrained from pushing it (and the likes) onto friends. My family and friends seems to have slowly drifted towards signal, and I haven't bothered affecting that, but if I would go from a pure UX, I'd suggest telegram. So, I'm genuinely curious to know others' thoughts on it. I have only limited knowledge,…
> cons of Telegram?
Also, Telegram is not federated. It is just another vendor lock-in.
https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/6841
https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/16068
Contrast that to email. Even if gmail.com bans you or shuts down, you can still use a different email vendor or self-host. (You lose your old email address if you don't own a domain, but you can still communicate with others.) The only good IM that has this characteristic seems Matrix.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#173All the dumping on signal is sad.
Here we have an nonprofit app that has succesfully broken into a major consumer market, and because of their ambitions to break up another cartel, and this is bad ?
Lets take a stab at understanding the authors complaints.
Author states users are smart and "we make the majority of users". Going beyond the entitlement of that statement, author can feel betrayed, but for signal to succeed it needs to keep iterating and address the consumer market.
Author may not need fast/cheap payments. But what about the rest of the world including the underbanked?
Author may fret about asymetry of info around transactions. However, will author think about the users of cash app and the million others that democratized stock trading ? Users have spoken and they prefer something, over nothing.
The article is unfortunately reeking of elitism. Sour grapes because a 3rd party will make money off an excellent application. I say keep an open mind.
This is the best thing that could happen to the world. Someone has the guts to finally take on currency, and has the potential to succeed. Yes it not perfect. Yes some will make money and signal may be able cover for their forever loan. Thats good.
The project has been a great endeavor since the days of redphone / textsecure. Project is still open sourced and nonprofit.
Signal is the future of privacy and security of the masses. As recently as 2019 that was still not clear.
Its time to cheer, not to dump.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#174I definitely agree with the article that it felt a bit like a betrayal. I've pushed some friends and family to use it over Telegram despite significant usability issue, and now I see that instead of implementing some IMO basic features like proper message sync and easy backup when you get a new phone, they prefer to implement a... micropayment system? Based on some niche altcoin which doesn't even exist on mainstream…
> easy backup when you get a new phone I just recently got a new phone, and used the new feature to do this (uses wi-fi direct) and I have to say it seemed like it would be easy enough for non-techy users to use.
Did you ever try to salvage data off a dead phone? Many of us only buy a new device when the old is fubar.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#175This article mirrors my feelings toward this announcement well. I spent a significant amount of time trying out different messaging apps and convincing my friends and family to move over from Telegram and WhatsApp. I used my reputation and their trust in my expertise. The whole blockchain industry is just too mixed with scams that I feel comfortable to have my non-tech relatives dealing with it. It's enough that I ha…
I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. Tack this on the list and Signal just seems like a crazy thing to recommend now. If they can get the onboarding process on Element to be just a little bit easier, maybe a phone number based default, I'll be dumping…
That's exactly my thoughts. I convincd all my friends and family to switch over to Signal, and now this bullshit. I should have trusted my gut feeling about Signal not wanting to use a decentralized protocol to be a bad sign in the long-term.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#176I definitely agree with the article that it felt a bit like a betrayal. I've pushed some friends and family to use it over Telegram despite significant usability issue, and now I see that instead of implementing some IMO basic features like proper message sync and easy backup when you get a new phone, they prefer to implement a... micropayment system? Based on some niche altcoin which doesn't even exist on mainstream…
Telegram is just so much more usable than Signal. The perceived advantage of Signal over Telegram is LITERALLY not having an option for a cloud-synced chat and ONLY having end to end encrypted chats. That's all. You give up of usability to get that advantage. Explain to your mom why she has to give up Telegram to get basically the same functionality as Telegram secret chats. Signals crypto is used by Facebook and was…
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Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try transferring from an iOS phone to Android. Try transferring messages to a new desktop (you can't). It's 2021, I don't want to be platform locked and none of the other popular messaging apps have that issue.
I transferred between two Android phones, and had to re-pair desktop clients. It all worked, but now the desktop client won't receive messages I've sent via phone. Also video calls still don't synchronize orientation. It's very hard not to stoop down to use more vulgar language to express my feelings about this.
> Also video calls still don't synchronize orientation.
This is insanely annoying in real life.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#178Monero would have made much more sense
MobileCoin's features make more sense than Monero's for this use case.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#179In this case, I'm glad that, around the time everyone was talking about moving to Signal, I threw out the baby with the bathwater and ditched my smartphone entirely. I'm so disappointed in this action by Signal, and very glad I never bothered to loudly promote Signal to friends and family.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Proper message sync is hardly possible with end-to-end encryption everyone so excited about (without fully understanding the implications of true secrecy). If you have e2ee and then sync messages via google drive (looking at you, Viber), you are kinda missing the point.
I remember that Skype, before it was bought and ruined by Microsoft, had P2P chat history sync that worked the following way: once two of your devices were online at the same time, they synchronized chat history among the two running instances flawlessly. It was super reliable and predictable. I am sure that Signal could implement the same peer-to-peer sync scheme with full end-to-end encryption without any secrecy c…
Pre-MS skype was so far peak IM.