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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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One way to rebel without rebelling is to pursue the exact same ideals as those pushed by your culture, except better.

(Greg Egan proposed this technique in his novel, Quarantine)

Snarking off about the ubiquitous hypocrisy would be one level of that, of course. (Seen in much popular comedy.) But there are higher.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

This self-indulgent rhetoric is so tiresome, and its aims are so blatantly transparent.

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What you're saying is and isn't true. One example of a countercultural movement that's been in the news recently is the DDoSecrets leaks/hacks (they get upset if you aren't clear that they're hackers). They've got a strong Twitter presence that helps them get their message out, but they conduct no "real" business on Twitter. So a counterculture can use the mainstream platforms, but they choose to do so only as a micr…

DDoSecrets targeted the most vulnerable voices in society, people banished to Gab for their political beliefs. They literally work for the liberal ruling system.

> most vulnerable voices

It's really sad you apparently posted this seriously.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

I hadn't heard "antisocial media" before but I love it

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

JSTOR and the Harvard press needs to just go away. As someone who does IT for a university library in Germany JSTOR access is just ridiculous, even ignoring their fees.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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There’s 40% of the population you’re missing that doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter but nothing substantive happens there. They believe in things like gun rights, freedom of speech and religion, and they often go to meeting places called a “church”, which these days could be considered “counter-culture”. Their values don’t come from…

>doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. >Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter I'm not sure what you mean by this.

I see something which may be referred to here.

I'm acquainted with people on social media who find that what they write on Facebook (say) is banned by the algorithmic being that reads before you post. Sometimes posts disappear. Sometimes they get sent to the naughty corner for 7 days.

The reason for a ban is sometimes a real head scratcher, as far as I can tell, but not always.

They've tried other places to have conversations. Some of those have also been torn down.

Some have gone away. I generally don't know where to, but some are setting up their own discussion spaces. (I've recommended that to those who've asked.)

Maybe a return to a former age where you controlled your own discussion spaces. A braai/BBQ in the back yard, a table in the corner of the pub, a ten day tramp through the mountains with four friends.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Not OP, but I feel like I come across more and more art house style stuff thats only on Vimeo. Which to be fair is still pretty mainstream.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Youtube apparently. (This was sarcasm)

And it was good sarcasm. The enemy isn't you tube. The enemy is the algorithm.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

#179

Still reading the article, but this is an interesting blurb if nothing else: "To be truly countercultural today, in a time of tech hegemony, one has to, above all, betray the platform, which may come in the form of betraying or divesting from your public online self." I hadn't thought of boycotting much of popular online space as being counter-cultural. It's an interesting thought.

"To be truly countercultural in a time of literate hegemony, you must become illiterate"

What's posted on social networks makes you feel like we live in a time of literate hegemony?

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

#180
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The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

funny to see how the term "counter culture" went from being associated to communists/anarchists to being associated to conservatives or even fascists.
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