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Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by pydry » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:54 PM UTC

AmericanChopper wrote: post #169

Barrin92 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

force protocols to be open would just about do it. People would trivially write cross-service applications on top and we could have an internet where people can freely move data around. Apple and Google would be delegated to the backend and users could choose the clients they want. It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. We're stuck in the 19th century railroad industry.

> It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. At what point do you become compelled to start transforming your web application into an open protocol?

Maybe at the unicorn mark.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by somethingwitty1 » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:54 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #151

rakoo wrote: post #144

It is a bit sad to see something as simple as "you can now take your photos and put them where you want" become a newsworthy article. This is yet another demonstration that Digital Feudalism is alive and well, and just like its ancestor, we need to get rid of it by empowering people to be their own self

force protocols to be open would just about do it. People would trivially write cross-service applications on top and we could have an internet where people can freely move data around. Apple and Google would be delegated to the backend and users could choose the clients they want. It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. We're stuck in the 19th century railroad industry.

There is a lot of secret sauce in protocols. Those decisions can have serious positive/negative implications on performance and features. Making those easily available to everyone could potentially destroy a business.

Don't get me wrong, I've had to reverse engineer my share of proprietary protocols to get behavior I wanted (and would have loved to see them be open), but I don't think I can get onboard with the idea that requiring open protocols is trivial or noninvasive.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by drstewart » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #151

rakoo wrote: post #144

It is a bit sad to see something as simple as "you can now take your photos and put them where you want" become a newsworthy article. This is yet another demonstration that Digital Feudalism is alive and well, and just like its ancestor, we need to get rid of it by empowering people to be their own self

force protocols to be open would just about do it. People would trivially write cross-service applications on top and we could have an internet where people can freely move data around. Apple and Google would be delegated to the backend and users could choose the clients they want. It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. We're stuck in the 19th century railroad industry.

>It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous

You can't honestly believe this. Even if one agrees with making some things open protocols, potentialy by law (messenger, social networks), stating "it's trivial" to do such a thing is just the height of hyperbole.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by azinman2 » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #151

rakoo wrote: post #144

It is a bit sad to see something as simple as "you can now take your photos and put them where you want" become a newsworthy article. This is yet another demonstration that Digital Feudalism is alive and well, and just like its ancestor, we need to get rid of it by empowering people to be their own self

force protocols to be open would just about do it. People would trivially write cross-service applications on top and we could have an internet where people can freely move data around. Apple and Google would be delegated to the backend and users could choose the clients they want. It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. We're stuck in the 19th century railroad industry.

So, someone (who?) comes out with a standard, and then everyone just freezes capabilities then? Nothing evolves? Or if it does, it does so very unequally? Already in this announcement is the non-transfer of Live Photos because presumably Google doesn't support it. Apparently they also have a 20k per album cap, which at that point you get different behavior than you're expecting. These are just a few examples of where things go wrong.

If we're going to legislate anything, I believe the right way is to force complete data export is made available via a reasonable API/process, which then allows people to independently evolve & progress, and competitors will then need to support (or not) what comes out on the other side. But customers then know they can always extract or simply backup their data themselves if needed.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by capableweb » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

ktapcnbje wrote: post #96

capableweb wrote: post #65

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This is not directly aimed at you but rather the hilarity of the situation. > only one USB-C port [...] if I hooked up an external drive, the computer would run out of power before the transfer completed. Absolutely crazy how we ended up accepting supposedly professional devices that work like this. Choose between having power or being able to use a external hard drive (unless you purchase accessories of course). Mea…

I agree that it was outrageous that the MacBook (2015-2019) only had one USB port. However, Apple never called it Pro. The MacBook Pro has at least 2 USB ports.

> However, Apple never called it Pro.

I think in the marketing material, Apple tends to call everything they do "for professionals", not just the line of hardware with "Pro" in its name.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by planb » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

rakoo wrote: post #144

It is a bit sad to see something as simple as "you can now take your photos and put them where you want" become a newsworthy article. This is yet another demonstration that Digital Feudalism is alive and well, and just like its ancestor, we need to get rid of it by empowering people to be their own self

But you could always do this. Apple seems to go a step further and does this on your behalf. I think that’s newsworthy.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by LegitShady » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #14

LegitShady wrote: post #8

I migrated away from Google Cloud storage this year given their announcement. The Microsoft office 365 family deal made at more sense. I can't see myself using Google cloud storage in the future given the premium they're charging. Moving the data wasn't that hard.

"Premium" being 2.5$ a month for 200GB of storage space?

Microsoft charges less per user for 1tb and msoffice 365 if you can find 5 family members to share the family plan with.

So yes if if an get it elsewhere for cheaper it's a price premium.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by LegitShady » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #27

Alupis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in fairness, Microsoft's Office365 subscriptions conveniently include 1TB of OneDrive storage. So, if you already need the other Microsoft Office apps, and are already going to pay for them, you essentially get 1TB of cloud storage "for free".

Bundling a spreadsheet app with photo storage ought to be against some competition rule... Just like Amazon has taken over so many markets with Prime...

It's not photo storage it's general cloud storage. And it's not a spreadsheet app it's the an office suite.

It's a much better deal than Google's cloud storage. That excel kicks the pants off Google sheets is just a bonus.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by jcims » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #150

jcims wrote: post #70

Lol two months ago I moved about 80GB of photos from iCloud to Google and it was an absolute nightmare. Nothing worked correctly through the entire collection.

Imagine a service which properly integrated your phone camera (such that messaging etc worked nicely) had a desktop app and allowed network storage and backup. Have I just missed this application?

Oh there’s an application alright. Getting it to actually do its job is another matter entirely.

Re: Apple now lets you transfer your iCloud Photos to Google Photos

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Post by fishywang » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #174

Barrin92 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

force protocols to be open would just about do it. People would trivially write cross-service applications on top and we could have an internet where people can freely move data around. Apple and Google would be delegated to the backend and users could choose the clients they want. It's honestly so trivial and uninvasive of a regulatory matter it's ridiculous. We're stuck in the 19th century railroad industry.

So, someone (who?) comes out with a standard, and then everyone just freezes capabilities then? Nothing evolves? Or if it does, it does so very unequally? Already in this announcement is the non-transfer of Live Photos because presumably Google doesn't support it. Apparently they also have a 20k per album cap, which at that point you get different behavior than you're expecting. These are just a few examples of where…

An interface doesn't necessarily limit what the implementation can do. An implementation can well be a super set of the interface (some open standard it supports), with additional features that's not in the interface.