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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by shawnz »

ddevault wrote: post #100
randomchars wrote: post #35

The idea sounds very appealing, especially to an indie developer: being able to ship your app on multiple platforms from a single codebase is kind of the holy grail. Unfortunately, the result is.... I tested this Flutter example[1], on a 16" MBP with and i7, and it is janky as it can get, it feels like I'm using a 15 year old computer. From the code it looks like the whole thing is... rendered on canvas? I'll pass. […

It is very janky, and worse, totally unaccessible, rendering it useless (or frustrating at best) for huge numbers of the population. And why? It's just yet another shiny web framework. We've known how to build websites for decades now.

Agreed... How can they be proud to release such an extreme regression in usability and accessibility? It is entirely 100% inaccessible for anyone not using a visual user agent. And this somehow isn't considered a non-starter?

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by dastx »

Honest question, what's Google's angle with flutter? It's one thing to be develop a toolkit for platforms they have a vested interest in, it's an entirely different thing to create such a toolkit for all platforms, including their competition.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by technofiend »

kyrra wrote: post #14
tpmx wrote: post #2

Last time I tested a Flutter-built app on an iPhone X (perhaps a year ago) there was still obvious jank in transitions/animations. I assume most of the showcases mentioned here (WeChat, Grab, Yandex Go, Nubank, Sonos, Fastic, Betterment and realtor.com) are Flutter-based on Android only? Is there a well-built Flutter-based iOS app without jank now?

(googler, opinion is my own). The (new) google Pay app on iOS[0] and Android[1] are flutter based. I'm on Android, so I don't know it's behavior on iOS. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-pay-save-pay-manage/id1... [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

The app works fine although as of today it's still tagged Beta in the Google Play store, which may give some people pause.

NFC on the other hand is so unreliable as to moot the use of Google Pay, which is unfortunate. I really prefer tap-to-pay over anything else, but not at the expense of making people in line behind me wait as I try various workarounds like toggling NFC. I realize there's nothing you can do about it - my grumbling is more a warning to folks who (like me) may have used it previously on the Pixel 2 and loved it. It's problematic in the Pixel 4. :shrug:

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by whalesalad »

eulers_secret wrote: post #168
kureikain wrote: post #50

I want to love Flutter. But once looking at it, it's a no go. It's the new flash. Really, you cannot copy the text anymore. React native is my goto solution now.

> you cannot copy the text anymore. Isn't this a feature? Having text easy to copy and paste is a copyright problem for many sites. Same with being able to save full-resolution images. It's pretty common to see a copy/paste in forum comments to get around a paywall. IMO either this or some other webassembly view is the future, simply because it's great DRM. Sure, you can circumvent it, but most people cannot.

Interesting rationalization. Don’t you think copying text is the norm and not the exception?

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by Grimm1 »

This looks like a great thing for people who are building web apps and need that app presence and want to keep a unified code base.

That said React Native is plenty good here even if the language ecosystem it's in is a bit of a mess. And I think there's a bit of work to do here with regards to the web before I'd adopt Flutter 2 for my business.

I tried a few different examples both on my desktop and my iPhone via safari and design wise the demos look really good, but the experience left a bit to be desired in terms of choppiness, user cues where pressing buttons left me wondering if anything happened until I saw red highlights around a text box and certain things not working, text highlighting is a big one for me and something I use all the time on my phone.

I'd definitely try Flutter out for a personal application but for my business if I was not going to develop a native app I think I'd still go with React Native for now.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by stephenhuey »

davidkuennen wrote: post #148
stephenhuey wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a long-time fan of pure web apps, but in my experience, it's more streamlined to develop and ship mobile apps with Flutter than with Cordova and some of the other tools that package web apps for mobile.

Yeah I certainly wouldn't use cordova today, but it was very innovative when it was released and I love what it did for the hybrid space.

Exactly, and for all the skeptical folks on here, I do not feel Flutter will the the ultimate solution, just another step forward like Cordoba was for abstracting some things and making development faster and easier and paying the bills by shipping more stuff sooner.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by aliyfarah »

offtop5 wrote: post #65

Pretty sure I'm the only person on this thread who loves flutter. We use flutter web and Firebase for our hobbyist project, and the results have been simply amazing. Dart makes Typescript look like a joke. The build system alone makes flutter better than React Native ! I'm confident in being able to build any CRUD app in dart Edit, in fact how many of you have actually built a project in flutter .I can't believe anyo…

>Dart makes Typescript look like a joke.

Dart still does not even have union types, probably the best feature of TS. I would hold off on that claim for now..

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by pier25 »

lostmsu wrote: post #146
yagodragon wrote: post #112

We're all complaining about how js is a bad language, tooling is a mess, and how the web is fundamentally built for documents and makes it hard to create app-like experiences. Now, Google comes and creates a whole new UI toolkit from scratch, couples it with a very beautiful SDK and component framework and offers a far better programming language than js could ever be but we're still nagging. I was also pretty disapp…

Flutter does not offer enough to justify learning new programming language.

Dart is extremely easy to pick up if you've written in any C style language.

Someone in our team had a small Android TV app working in 2-3 days with WebSockets, web views, some animations, etc.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by vincnetas »

renewiltord wrote: post #84
krasin wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link. To confirm the point of copying text being broken: try doing that at https://flutterplasma.dev/ -- it kind of works, but not really, no.

Ah fuck me. This is awful. You have to be precisely on the text to select it. I frequently offset my mouse a little to the left of the element to ensure I select the whole text. Even a little bit off to the left and nothing. I love the idea, but this sounds like it's going to be unpleasant for me. Hopefully they figure out these UX things.

Yeah, tiny differences that would nag the hell out of me. For example double clicking for selecting word is implemented, but triple clicking to select whole line is not implemented ;(

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by FpUser »

I looked at their demos and was less then impressed. Would've probably make more sense to get some mature multiplatform GUI capable tool like Delphi add WASM as their compile target and be done with it.
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