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The Covid Zoom Boom Is Reshaping Sign Language

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Re: The Covid Zoom Boom Is Reshaping Sign Language

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I use signs (not ASL) to communicate with my dog. When she was a puppy, she was having trouble learning verbal commands, so I started pairing them with unique gestures, which worked much better. Eventually, I mostly dropped the verbal part and now we just use gestures. Her vocabulary is small (she's a dog), but we have gestures for e.g. "sit", "lie down", "stand back up", "stay", "come here", "go there", "be quiet",…

I suspect that at least some dog owners who think they've verbally trained their dogs have actually trained them (and the dog has trained the owner in return) based on body language and gestures they don't consciously know they are making, or at best through intonation rather than actual spoken command words.

This is evidenced by the reaction a dog has when you say anything with the, "who's a good boy?!" tone. You could be saying the dog is a dork or dumb and they're just as excited. The tone and body language play a huge role.

My dog intuitively knows just about anything I could want her to do. She follows me (or my SO if they're home) rendering commands like "come" irrelevant. If I put on pants during the day, she idles back and forth between where I am getting ready and her kennel, finally opening the door herself when I'm ready to leave, then I latch the gate.

She has a pretty consistent schedule so most of the time, when we're doing something, she knows exactly what her role is. Another great example is treats. For the longest time we only made her sit to get treats, so now she basically does that. A few months ago, I wanted her to learn lie down but I paired it with sit first. So now if she hears the treat bag, she'll come over to me, wait for me to say one word, then she sits, then waits for another word, and then she lays down. However those words are meaningless to her. If I say, "Lay down" first, she sits. You get the idea!

That said, she's a great pup and very well behaved. :)

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> Can you explain it one more time? There is no one, universal sign language. For example, there is Australian Sign Language (Auslan), American Sign Language (ASL), etc. They're all different languages. I mean all spoken languages are just sounds, right? Sounds like one language to me, with multiple local dialects?

No, the type of sounds can be grouped into distinct language families and further down into language "branches". I just don't see (no pun intended) how this translates into different sign languages.

There certainly are relationships between sign languages; A(merican)SL and French SL are arguably two dialects of the same language, or at least they were in relatively recent memory. Others are distantly related or unrelated; B(ritish)SL is absolutely unintelligible to signers of ASL and arose separately, for instance. Many of the modern global sign languages are related to one or the other of those families (and might be "dialects" as you want to call them, or might be further apart and thus merely "related languages"), but there are a few others that are not, including one—Nicaraguan Sign Language—that arose from scratch less than 40 years ago.

Re: The Covid Zoom Boom Is Reshaping Sign Language

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> Can you explain it one more time? There is no one, universal sign language. For example, there is Australian Sign Language (Auslan), American Sign Language (ASL), etc. They're all different languages. I mean all spoken languages are just sounds, right? Sounds like one language to me, with multiple local dialects?

No, the type of sounds can be grouped into distinct language families and further down into language "branches". I just don't see (no pun intended) how this translates into different sign languages.

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You know what signing is amazing for? Teaching babies to communicate before they have proper vocal control (preverbal is the term I think). We're talking useful communication at under a year. Something like 9-12 months.

I use signs (not ASL) to communicate with my dog. When she was a puppy, she was having trouble learning verbal commands, so I started pairing them with unique gestures, which worked much better. Eventually, I mostly dropped the verbal part and now we just use gestures. Her vocabulary is small (she's a dog), but we have gestures for e.g. "sit", "lie down", "stand back up", "stay", "come here", "go there", "be quiet",…

One great life pro tip is to reward Good Dog paired with a sign, e.g. "jazz hands", so if they start going deaf, they still know they are being praised.

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This is kind of unrelated, but I wonder if a small amount (say 100 signs or so) of sign language (ASL or local equivalent) wouldn't be useful for hearing people in their day-to-day lives. I'm very interested in sign-language, but language being what it is you can't do it alone ...

They are handy! Especially if one person is on a call and can't talk, or you're trying to be quiet. "I love you", "Food?", "Tea?" (we're tea drinkers) are commonly used in my home.

That's exactly what I mean. Great use haha

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Super powers Sign Language -> communicate with someone in a noisy room (across the room even) Braille -> A friend of mine learned braille so he could "read" books after his parents said lights out. What a rebel.

Yes, super powers! I went to a high school where the drama department did at least one play a year in ASL. Brought in instructors from the local deaf community, and all the drama kids learned it. This was also business genius, because it basically guaranteed ticket sales. A huge number of deaf people in the area would show up for every such play, year after year. Even parents with kids at the school generally stop co…

god this sounds awesome

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Based on my very limited experience and the posts above, I'd say sign languages don't really have the luxury of having many "synonyms" with slightly different connotations, at least in the same way you'd list words in a dictionary. jbergstroem mentions "always trying to find the simplest way of explaining yourself", so I think the idea is people just say things how they are, in simple terms. I imagine ideas like poli…

"hear" ASL

"first hand" Then, second hand.

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Perhaps someone on HN knows the answer to a question I've had for years now. Why use sign language on platforms where text is accessible? I've wondered this since I first saw a TV broadcast with a signer off to the side. Isn't that what closed captions are for? Surely it's faster to read text captions than the gestures of some low-res recording of a human stuck in a tiny box in the corner of the screen. Video chat pl…

Because the native language of the deaf is sign language. Spoken language has very little in common with sign language. Text is a written form of a spoken language for those who hear so it isn't too hard to learn. For someone who can't hear it is completely different from anything. Imagine the time where you knew something of a second language, but were not fluent yet (some of you may have never tried, but most peopl…

I imagine it would be like if your native language was English, but learning to read and write would all be in Cantonese instead.

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It is more complex than that. ASL comes from french sign language, and so was always different from British sign language, and I suspect the grammar roots make sense in french. However since then things have diverged to the point that you can't really say there is anything in common with french sign language. Sign language only has a few (thousands) of signs. For the rest the signer finger spells the word they need,…

> Sign language only has a few (thousands) of signs. For the rest the signer finger spells the word they need, if they will use that word again they make up a new sign (often the first letter in a specific position). I'm not sure where this information comes from, but doesn't quite seem correct. A sign is much more involved than simple vocabulary, and qualified signs exist outside the concept of a one-to-one, sign-to…

This is used for specialized words. A doctor needing to go into detail about a specifc cancer. A programer taking about the implementation of a garbage collector.

Re: The Covid Zoom Boom Is Reshaping Sign Language

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In general, using a language those around you don't speak can be rude, but I was imagining more along the lines of "Come rescue me from this conspiracy theorist." Which would have been handy at one point for me.

> using a language those around you don't speak can be rude, Like generally in public? Or when you're in a social group with others? For the first scenario, I'd almost always speak a second language if I could, for privacy reasons. And also because it's less distracting to others IMO - people tune out unfamiliar languages as noise but not conversations they can understand. But yeah it's rude in the second scenario.

The downside in public is that the people who notice you're speaking another language will assume that you're talking about them and don't want to be overheard by the victim.

It is less of a big deal than when you're in a social group, where someone could feel that you are deliberately excluding them.

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