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Always Bet on Text (2014)

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Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#171

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Plain text is simple, elegant and has open-standards - it traces its origins back to telegraph codes that we have been using for hundreds of years - and still forms the basis of most of the internet now. So I am inclined to agree with the statement "text is the most powerful, useful, effective communication technology ever, period".

Please elaborate how text is most powerful (in which aspect anyway? define powerful) and most effective (surely it isn't or text wouldn't be the prime example for stuff that's good to compress).

I am not the source of the original statement, but my own interpretation of "powerful" aligns with simplicity and flexibility. Plain text has only slightly more structure than a stream of bytes, meaning it retains a lot of simplicity and flexibility. Yes plain text can be inefficient and is overused (a proprietary unpublished wire-format does not need to use JSON). However, 50 years from now, the only data I feel comfortable knowing I'll be able to read is plain text (and possibly also JPEG and a few other well-specified and simple binary formats). Many binary formats are effectively defined by large complex and transient code bases that target particular tool chains and APIs. A new binary format needs to justify itself, less so plain text.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#172

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Text can have problems with people guessing what things mean from the situation they first see them (where the meaning is not entirely unambiguous). I've seen a similar story of someone thinking "lol" meant "lots of love" and used it to end messages regarding the death of a family member.

The thing is, with emojis the differences introduced by font designers can be very subtle. In the GP's case, the laughing emoji seemed so much out of place and violated social protocol so heavily that I assume the confusion was probably cleared up later on. But what about cases where a font designer changes, say, an emoji face with a light, content smile to a shy smile? This has the chance to undermine the entire emo…

The Softbank one looks like someone grinding their teeth in frustration to me.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#173

The question is whether these advantages are because text is a better communication medium, or because of the limitations of our technology? Take using a computer to type a word versus draw a picture: Effectively everyone who uses a computer can type a word, but I'd bet less than 10% could draw a circle. But put a piece of paper in front of someone and effectively everyone can draw a circle. This points to there bein…

Ah come on, this is not accurate at all. We have tons of tech now: audio, video, charting, etc. Circles are pretty easy in powerpoint or any such software. The tech is obviously here already. But still, why do people prefer sending chat texts instead of calling or video calling? Surely not because of tech.

Don't tell Gimp that it's easy to draw a circle...

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

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post #35

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A letter is not a picture, at least not in the way we generally talk about pictures – it can be graphically manipulated and re-imagined in almost limitless ways and degrees and still perform its function. For most things-that-we-call-pictures, if you even made a relatively small adjustment to it, it would be a different picture.

That really depends on your language system. What you say is true for alphabetic systems, but quite different for logographic (e.g. Chinese) or pictographic systems.

I don't think they're different enough to refute my point. You see Chinese characters in a great variety of typographic and handwritten styles, all able to be read by fluent people.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#175

Apples and oranges. The post states that the used Twitter logo PNG is 4000 bytes, while it's only 723. Try to express that logo in text, English language and in all its details with 723 characters, so you are able to reproduce a pixel perfect representation. Not even possible with 4000 characters anyway. Don't bother. Text will be ambiguous, unless you describe every single detail. If the target is to communicate "Tw…

> The post states that the used Twitter logo PNG is 4000 bytes, while it's only 723.

The article was written in 2014. Worth remembering when nitpicking the text of an article.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#176
The article is historically wrong. The oldest known cave murals etc. are 44000 years old [1], while cuneiform, heiroglyphics, Sumerian, Mesopotamian etc. are only about 3000-4000 years old [2]. A strange beautiful example of complex information presented visually which was in use until recently, are the Polynesian navigation charts [3]. Our primary method of communcation is probably visual and/or auditory.

The prominence and seeming economy of text in digital communications is probably because data is presented and transmitted as a one dimensional sequence of bits.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing#Cuneiform_s...

[3] https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ap-art-history/pacifi...

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#177

The author may have overstated his case, but I hope the designers of GUI applications are listening: most of the icons on your menu bars mean nothing to me, so your application is hard to use. Substitute words.

My biggest pet-peeve is the hamburger icon instead of the world 'Menu'. You are saving 10px... for what!?

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plain text is simple, elegant and has open-standards - it traces its origins back to telegraph codes that we have been using for hundreds of years - and still forms the basis of most of the internet now. So I am inclined to agree with the statement "text is the most powerful, useful, effective communication technology ever, period".

Please elaborate how text is most powerful (in which aspect anyway? define powerful) and most effective (surely it isn't or text wouldn't be the prime example for stuff that's good to compress).

He would have to use words for that... Could you help him showing some image of "powerful" and "effective"?

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#179

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Some of us are on a desktop computer, all of us are on a mobile phone. You do realize how cumbersome that mobile keyboard is right. With a click of a button, you can record audio and/or video. But still, text messages rule them all. Who sends texts on desktops anyway? A small minority.

No. A lot of people record voice messages, but they need to be in an environment providing enough privacy. But messengers emphasize text heavily in their UIs - again because of keyboards. Keyboard less touch devices are too novel an innovation compared to when instant messaging was cast into its final form.

> but they need to be in an environment providing enough privacy.

Yet another argument in favor of text.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#180

Apples and oranges. The post states that the used Twitter logo PNG is 4000 bytes, while it's only 723. Try to express that logo in text, English language and in all its details with 723 characters, so you are able to reproduce a pixel perfect representation. Not even possible with 4000 characters anyway. Don't bother. Text will be ambiguous, unless you describe every single detail. If the target is to communicate "Tw…

re:Try to express that logo in text

"Twitter"

carries the same weight

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