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Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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I’m not keeping my money with a financial institution that lies to me. End of story. Transfer initiated on my cash, and I’ll deal with moving stocks in the morning.

I’m not keeping my money with a financial institution that lies to me. I know for a fact my bank lies. They've been fined hundreds of millions of dollars for money laundering (it's HSBC). A few years ago I looked in to moving to a more honest bank, but I couldn't find one that also met basic criteria like having access to cash points in the UK and having a half decent mobile banking app. Literally every major bank th…

Handelsbanken has a good reputation or you could use a building society like nationwide.

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I've been using Monzo for 2 years and I have no complaints. The app is fantastic and they have integrations for international transfers, and business banking that just work.

I’ve been using Monzo for around the same time and have had nothing but good things to say right up until they decided to start pushing their Premium/Plus accounts onto customers via in app ads. With all the rumours of them struggling to become profitable it’s made me consider a move to Starling, who seem to be in a better position in that regard.

I use Starling for my business (Monzo didn't have business accounts at the time). The app is much worse than Monzo. However they do have better export facilities, and you can do transfers via website, so for business I think it is more practical.

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And right after saying they don't have any liquidity problems said, "We're #1 on the app" while retail investors were losing millions because of expiring options/stocks. Absolutely tone-deaf. Not denying that all securities have risks, but that was a bad response imo.

Retail investors lost millions because of an inability to buy?

If you sell something and there is no buyer, what happens to the price?

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Robinhood has been known to be sham for a very long time. Anyone with money there is willfully ignorant.

It’s not a scam it’s just a pretty mediocre broker with a fancy ui. Lest we forget they introduced many traders to options, for better and worse. They are/were WSBs broker of choice. They changed the fee landscape in trading US-wide. It’s hard to say they weren’t impactful, though we can disagree on the positivity of the impact itself.

> It’s not a scam it’s just a pretty mediocre broker with a fancy ui.

That's what it is. But what really matters is how it is perceived.

Their pitch is quite literally "We’re on a mission to democratize finance for all. At Robinhood, we believe the financial system should be built to work for everyone. That’s why we create products that let you start investing at your own pace, on your own terms." [1]

It's a lofty mission. And it does so in two major ways: (a) Building a platform - application, knowledge base,... - that simplifies trading stocks and (b) offering bottom pricing for brokerage. The idea is to get as many people to the stock market as fast as possible.

RH saw an gap in the market for financial brokerage and took a plunge.

Their business model isn't that different from other brokers: capturing as much trading volume as possible. However, instead of making money off commissions, they earn millions on the back-end by charging fees on routing orders, or making interests off of cash payments in customer accounts.

> It’s hard to say they weren’t impactful, though we can disagree on the positivity of the impact itself.

There are two big issues with RH.

The first is that it only offers the bare minimum of information on financial trading on their knowledge base and through their app. In fact, on their website, the "risk disclosure" link on their first sales pitch is just a pop up with literally just 1 line: "Investing involves risk, including the loss of capital. Investors should consider their investment objectives and risks carefully before investing." [2]

Sure, the application provides restrictions through automated profiling, but at no point do you talk to a knowledgable human up front who can assess whether you should be using RH, let alone trading on the financial markets, in the first place.

At the end of the day, no matter how this gets spun, the trader is - quite literally - left to their own device to decide whether or not trading on RH is a good idea in their specific situation.

The second is their brand / image. RH gained some brand notoriety as it was first adopted by a young population with a bit of cash on hand but not enough to invest in anything meaningful or stable like a home or a family. The "democratizing financial markets" pitch resonates with an audience / generation whose general outlook on the world and the future isn't all that positive to begin with.

Over the past year, RH gained further traction through the fundamental economic and social changes caused by the pandemic. A community like WSB embraced e-brokers like RH and further boosted their notoriety / brand image / narrative. Moreover, an online community like WSB is another clear example of like-minded people clustering together and how a shared collective identity galvanizes in a surprisingly short time frame.

Over the past months, RH lost control over the public's perception, partly by their own pitch, partly because of the sudden change in circumstances. This wasn't an issue as long as the nature and the volume of the trading fitted within the existing assumptions of other, traditional / incumbent stakeholders in the financial markets.

That changed over the past 2 months as speculative investing via RH, WSB, online ivesting,... went "viral" overnight.

But that's all it really did.

RH is just one of many more actors that provide access to the markets. And their audience of day trading investors represents only a tiny fraction of the total volume of trading on the financial markets. RH had about 13 million users in 2020. [3] Consider the hundreds of million of people and companies who are vested in the financial markets through pension funds, mortgages, household debts, business loans, saving accounts and so on.

An e-broker like RH with their particular brand, the audience that it accrued and the emerging culture / identity could only become as popular as it did because of inequities and sudden shifts elsewhere in the economic system. Their story lays all of that bare for everyone to see, including policy makers and finanicial regulators.

Personally I see this story more as an expression of a particular zeitgeist rather then a driver in itself for fundamental long term change.

[1] https://robinhood.com/us/en/about-us/ [2] https://robinhood.com/us/en/about/#our-products [3] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/robinhood-statistics/

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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I’m not keeping my money with a financial institution that lies to me. I know for a fact my bank lies. They've been fined hundreds of millions of dollars for money laundering (it's HSBC). A few years ago I looked in to moving to a more honest bank, but I couldn't find one that also met basic criteria like having access to cash points in the UK and having a half decent mobile banking app. Literally every major bank th…

Handelsbanken has a good reputation or you could use a building society like nationwide.

The cost of that reputation though is fees on pretty much every single action you might want to take with your money.

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Do users actually lose the stocks, if something that happens to the Robinhood itself? I live under assumption that it is not happening. In any case stocks should stay belonging to the folks who purchased them.

I hear your stocks can get lent out for shorting by others, which means you might not actually have them even while Robinhood is alive when you think you do...

Only if you have a margin account and made purchases on margin.

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I hear your stocks can get lent out for shorting by others, which means you might not actually have them even while Robinhood is alive when you think you do...

Only if you have a margin account and made purchases on margin.

Instant deposit & instant settlement both open a margin account though. And purchasing with unsettled funds requires margin. Which I would bet a huge number of people have enabled on their accounts, if not actively use.

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"To continue operating, it drew on a line of credit from six banks amounting to between $500 million and $600 million to meet higher margin, or lending, requirements from its central clearing facility for stock trades, known as the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation." Non-zero chance had they not haulted trading on those symbols they would've been insolvent by close of trading today, depending on the size of the…

I don't understand their PR strategy though. The Webull CEO has been much more transparent about the kind of collateral requirements their exchange was dealing with via DTCC. RobinHood could have explained the same - it's not their fault for having insufficient liquidity when the DTCC's collateral requirements go up.

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Starling Starlink is the space internet from Musk

Auto correct what can I do. Of course I meant Starling, they were the first challenger bank to offer business accounts as well and I’m very happy so far.

Starling is neat except you need to request a special exemption from them for EVERY payment you send over £25,000.

Only takes them an hour or so to approve it for you, but it gets pretty old having to do it 3-5x per week.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not keeping my money with a financial institution that lies to me. End of story. Transfer initiated on my cash, and I’ll deal with moving stocks in the morning.

I’m not keeping my money with a financial institution that lies to me. I know for a fact my bank lies. They've been fined hundreds of millions of dollars for money laundering (it's HSBC). A few years ago I looked in to moving to a more honest bank, but I couldn't find one that also met basic criteria like having access to cash points in the UK and having a half decent mobile banking app. Literally every major bank th…

In Switzerland there's a non-profit-oriented bank called ABS (Alternative Bank Switzerland) where I've been a happy customer for a few years now. They belong to a group of financial institutions that strive for "ethical banking", together with others like GLS. There are some others listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ethical_banking Another resource might be the Global Alliance for Banking on Values: http://www.gabv.org/the-community/members/banks
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