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Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Saint_Genet »

jusssi wrote: post #158
throwaway2245 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you cite that? If you're comparing median to median, I find that very unlikely. There are plenty of soft barriers to progress for gay men.

Gay men are less likely to have children, so not having the expenses resulting from that leaves more disposable income. This is what I've seen cited as a reason multiple times. I have no reference to point to, maybe someone else does?

A fairly substantial part of the Grindr usrbase is made up of ostensibly straight married family fathers.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

Vinnl wrote: post #16

> Grindr is now relying on a new consent system and alleged "legitimate interest" to use data without user consent. This is in conflict with the decision of the Norwegian DPA, as it explicitly held that "any extensive disclosure ... for marketing purposes should be based on the data subject’s consent". This "legitimate interest" shenanigans is coming up more and more often, where you have a modal with lots of options…

Most of these data consent forms are purposefully complicated so that many opt in to all to save time. The “advanced options” menu even loads suspiciously slowly at times.

It should be required by law that there be a simple to access “opt out to everything” option that should be as easy to access as an “opt in to everything” option.

Also, I would not be opposed if some browser standard were developed under governmental oversight that sends a blanket “opt out to everything” that websites would be required to respect by law.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by notimetorelax »

elliekelly wrote: post #145
privacylawthrow wrote: post #131

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Some tools call APIs from a whole bunch of ad networks. That 60 seconds is likely spent getting opt out cookies from dozens of different ad network domains.

Why is the “opt out cookie” necessary? Why can’t they just assume that anyone who doesn’t have an opt in cookie hasn’t opted in and can’t be tracked? Isn’t the opt out cookie itself a form of tracking? If you have the cookie I know you’ve been to a site I advertise on/track/am affiliated with.

I agree with your point here, it's in spirit of GDPR, unless expressly permitted the sites must assume that the user has opted out. The ad agencies with their cookies have it backwards.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by foepys »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #105
hkh28 wrote: post #37

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> I have no idea what the benefit of the EEA is for it's members We have the option to reject certain EU-rules, and can negotiate special exemptions into our agreement. Norway has some exemptions in fishing rights that are central to our agreement. Under the previous government we also rejected the EU Postal Directive, though the current government has since accepted it.

The UK had those too while being a member.

The UK always got special treatment while they were in the EU. No other country was allowed to come even close. Which made Brexit so much more surprising to the EU.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

killingtime74 wrote: post #85
gspr wrote: post #77

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> If they have no assets in Norway I imagine it may be hard to collect from them. I thought, but have never verified, that fines given as GDPR enforcement can be collected throughout the EU/EEA. If this is true, and if European courts uphold the fines when Grindr undoubtedly challenge them, then it's my understanding that the Norwegian DPA can have Grindr assets elsewhere in the EEA seized. Does anyone know for sure?

A lawyer would know for sure

I think you underestimate how specialized law can be.

I have a relative who is a lawyer and legal attorney who would definitely not know this and when asked would answer that it is not his speciality and that he would have to do more research.

He's an attorney in employment law, and I asked him some things about criminal law and he did not know, and when pressed to make a guess, his guess was wrong.

It seems that law is quite complicated, and that lawyers have their specialities.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by rsynnott »

Laarlf wrote: post #69
orangepanda wrote: post #18

> Consent must be unambiguous, informed, specific and freely given. A bit ironic, for a dating app.

Yeah, same thoughts. The gdpr didn’t change much but made small companies like these more vulnerable and web browsing more unbearable. Data is still getting collected and big companies don’t care.

> In March 2020, Kunlun announced that it will sell its 98.59% stake in Grindr to U.S.-based San Vicente Acquisition LLC for $608.5 million

You may be using a slightly expansive definition of 'small company'.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by curryst »

piva00 wrote: post #156
sseneca wrote: post #92

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It’s almost impressive what these people have created. Now, when I stumble across the rare “Reject All” button on one of those pop ups, I don’t know if they even really mean “all” or if it keeps the trackers under “legitimate interests” enabled because they’re... “legitimate”. So the only safe option ends up being disabling all of them manually, which is absurd when these websites list hundreds and hundreds of tracke…

With that they win the public's opinion. I make an effort to always explain to people I hear complaining about those pop-ups why they've been made to be annoying. Usually it helps to turn their opinion against GDPR towards the companies employing the dark patterns. No one likes to be blatantly manipulated.

I think that's a long lost battle and they know it. They're going for attrition. People don't want to be tracked, and clicking all the don't track buttons 78 times a day is annoying, so eventually they say fuck it and just start clicking Accept All.

There need to be fines for this. They're clearly violating the spirit of the law, if not the exact letter (and I think much of Europe has legal systems that follow the spirit more than the letter, don't they?)

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by rsynnott »

foepys wrote: post #147
Laarlf wrote: post #124

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Do you see Google, Microsoft and Apple? It’s nearly been 3 years and they don’t really seem to care. Pretty sure the EU is too scared to touch them.

WhatsApp's privacy update differed quite a lot between the EU and the US. That alone shows that the big tech corps are careful.

That's partly down to agreements with the EU competition regulator from the acquisition, AIUI.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by panpanna »

xtracto wrote: post #125

The GDPR has always amazed me. It changed the playing field from "you can use our free app as long as you give us data for marketing or not use it" to "you can provide a free service in the EU as long as you dont collect data for marketing or dont provide it" Without making a judgement on the merits of the approach, as a user/individual I appreciate the power this gives to protect my data. As a company/developer the…

I see this as a "it's so hard to run a business with all these rules" argument.

We both know rules are extremely clear and simple. They get complicated when companies try to go around them.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

jhanschoo wrote: post #143
orangepanda wrote: post #18

> Consent must be unambiguous, informed, specific and freely given. A bit ironic, for a dating app.

If I'm not wrong, dating apps are among the worst for user privacy. Google `dating apps user privacy` and you'll find no shortage of news articles.

They are places where people write profiles and post their pictures.

They seem somewhat scary to me, in that anyone one knows might encounter one on it.

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