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Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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Why not just tax TV sales? That's much easier to enforce, and has ultimately almost the same effect.

Because the TV licence is something like 140 quid a year and you only buy a new tv every 10 years or so

So you'd have to add an extra 1400 quid onto the price of every TV as tax. That'd easily triple the cost of your average TV

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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post #133

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Do we believe that the "household-fee" serves the greater good? No, I'd say not really. It was, IMHO, public broadcasts solution to the icreasing number of people preferring streaming and the internet over traditional television. And more importantly the decreasing revenue. Are these fees generally speaking a good thing? I'd say yes, because you get a non-add dependant news source. Is the implementation, especially i…

If it was just a news source it would have been fine, but it‘s not. The department that manages this tax alone has 900 employees. Then each of the two big channels has thousands of employees. How is that an efficiently run news source?

Did I say it is efficient? It pretty much is not. It is stil godd to have a news source that does not depend on add revenue, and by law they have to be neutral in Germany. In praxis, they are obviously not, and not all their news formats are good, neither is their entertainment. But for the society as a whole, they are important. And with everyone deriding their entertainment as being geared for the old, well, our older citzens have every right to whatch what they want and have someone develop content for them as well. It's not like I watch all the stuff amazon or Netflix are pushig out, and yet I pay for crap lke Tiger King and all these pseudo-true-crime sh*.

If I have an issue with publc braodcasting in germany, it's te sometimes blatant nespotism at higher positions, the abusively high salaries, especially when compared to private media outlets and the degree of party influence. Overall so, these public media outlets definetly have their place. They could be cheaper, so. But that ai't gonna happen anytime soon I guess.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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post #111

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I have no idea what you're talking about. Take a look at the first column of https://www.tvinfo.de/tv-programm/ard Pretty much nothing in there is also shown at any third programme. The programmes are almost completely distinct. Evening news are actually the one part where the third programmes show the same as the ARD.

I am talking about the fact that the ARD itself is the collective group of all regional broadcasters (look up the name) and any programme is produced either by one of the regional broadcasters or by the shared production company Degeto. And of course is also shown in the "thirds". Take "Rote Rosen" (with questionable quality) and you will see it is also shown on rbb, hr, NDR and MDR.

> I am talking about the fact that the ARD itself is the collective group of all regional broadcasters (look up the name)

I know that. But it's utterly offtopic in this subthread. We're not talking about organisational structures, we're talking about "what can I watch".

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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"Television license fees" are a peculiar concept if you've not lived in a country that requires them, but as another commenter pointed out, several countries, mainly in Europe but outside as well, have this "system" in place.

Quite frankly it's ridiculous - imagine needing to pay a "fee" to CNN/Fox News/NYTimes/Yahoo/whatever-well-connected dotcom just because you have an internet connection and web browser.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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In Our Time does indeed sound very good - I'll have to check it out - thanks. > And have you really never heard of the Today Programme or are you exaggerating for effect? I've heard of it - never seen an episode so couldn't say what it was about (although the name probably gives it away). Traditionally I've not really watched much "broadcast" TV, even as a kid. I spent most my childhood in front of a computer... > ..…

I would very strongly recommend you invest a day or two in trying Radio 4 - just put it on in the background all day, and see what you find.

Careful though, they might stumble on The Archers or one of those terribly over acted radio plays that are on in the afternoon.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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BBC also does fantastic children's content including mobile games app's. Cbeebies is miles better then anything else. Also, you can trust young kids with the BBC. You know there is no targeted advertising, or in game purchases. Most shows are also educational (often secretly). Licence fee worth that alone for me.

Teletubbies were made on drugs. There is no other explanation

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Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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At that point, why don’t they just have the government fund the television networks from tax revenue rather than effectively levying a poll tax earmarked for broadcasters?

So they can pretend their state TV is independent from the state.

How does the state exert power over the broadcasters if their income doesn't come from the government?

Edit: When I say 'how' I don't mean 'why', I mean 'by what means'.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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BBC also does fantastic children's content including mobile games app's. Cbeebies is miles better then anything else. Also, you can trust young kids with the BBC. You know there is no targeted advertising, or in game purchases. Most shows are also educational (often secretly). Licence fee worth that alone for me.

Teletubbies were made on drugs. There is no other explanation

All kids tv is made on drugs. In the night garden is even more trippy than teletubbies.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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post #80

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> In Germany, the situation changed a few years ago, every household has to pay now, even if they don't own a television or radio. This was literally the first piece of mail I got when I moved to Germany: a letter demanding I pay for the TV networks I don't watch. I didn't even own a TV by that point, nor would have understood much of what was being said! A German explained to me once that the forced payment by non-w…

At that point, why don’t they just have the government fund the television networks from tax revenue rather than effectively levying a poll tax earmarked for broadcasters?

Norway recently switched from a system where you paid a set fee if you owned a TV to a system where you pay based on your income and it's part of your tax form. The reasoning behind the change was that basically everyone either has a TV or internet, and since the channels are available online, everyone has access.

Re: TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England

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> No idea what any of those shows you listed are. My interests are ..., politics _Today_ and _PM_ are amongst the most influential media in the UK. Not knowing about them is almost wilfully ignorant -- other media will report that "on the _Today_ programme this morning, Minister for Vaccines, Nadhim Zahawi, said…"

Like I said elsewhere, I don't watch much broadcast TV, honestly have better things to do with my time. I've been successful in life so I don't see why you are insisting I need to watch this show. I get my news and current affairs elsewhere. Edit: I'd also like to add that no one in my circle has ever asked me "hey did you see that thing on the Today Programme last night?". In fact very little conversation about TV p…

I think the point people are making is that much of the news you read will be a summary of what happened on Today that morning. That’s where a lot of political interviews happen, for example.

Lots of political live blogs etc just repeat it. That does of course mean that you don’t need to actually listen to it, unless you want to hear from the horse’s mouth.

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