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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Siyo wrote: post #89
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

> It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. Well keep in mind that the first generation Arm MacBooks are basically the same old Intel laptops with their guts replaced. The next generation is probably going to be a completely new design.

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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by kristiandupont »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #164
skocznymroczny wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main issue of this is just like with touchbar and similar solutions - power users don't look at the keyboard, so the usefulness will be minimal.

I think HN is a bit unfairly biased against the touchbar, since it serves almost zero purpose for programming work. However, it's quite handy when doing multimedia work with applications that integrate with the touchbar (Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop)

Is this your experience or your assumption?

I was personally very excited when they announced the touchbar but having lived with it for 5 years now, I hate it. And I do a lot of media work, mostly in Ableton Live but also Adobe Lightroom and others.

I just bought a new Macbook Air and I was very happy that the feature of not having the bar was cheaper as it was something I would have gladly paid money for.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by gurkendoktor »

zuhsetaqi wrote: post #158
square_usual wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there were old gen Intel 13" MBPs without the touch bar. They added those into the M1 macs that replaced those old models. Clearly, they could simply have... not, if they were indeed thinking of removing the touchbar entirely.

Last Intel MacBook Pro generation before M1 had all TouchBar

But why didn't they revive the 2018 version of the Intel MBP that didn't have the TouchBar? It would have fit perfectly as it was also a two-port model. Maybe it has to do with the keyboard being broken in the 2018 model, but (to this layman) it sounds easier to fix that than to add support for the TouchBar on Apple Silicon for a single (!) temporary hardware model.

Now they have to keep that TouchBar code around in AppKit even after they inevitably drop Intel support. Extremely curious decision.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by gurkendoktor »

Tade0 wrote: post #167
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

> It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. Perhaps the idea is that those who buy the base model - regular consumers - like the touchbar, and those who buy the higher-end versions, that is, professionals - don't. I'm sure some pricing specialist figured that out. Say what you want about Apple, but their sales department knows how to sq…

But then why add the TouchBar to the MBP and not the MacBook Air instead? I actually think that the TouchBar would be more popular if it was a consumer thing instead of a "Pro" differentiator.

I can't be the only professional who ordered a cheaper M1 MacBook Air specifically because I want to avoid the TouchBar. If the pricing specialist is playing 4D chess then I don't get it.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by saagarjha »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #164
skocznymroczny wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main issue of this is just like with touchbar and similar solutions - power users don't look at the keyboard, so the usefulness will be minimal.

I think HN is a bit unfairly biased against the touchbar, since it serves almost zero purpose for programming work. However, it's quite handy when doing multimedia work with applications that integrate with the touchbar (Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop)

It's not completely useless for programming: for example, I use the button to stop an app in the debugger pretty often.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by kolinko »

invalidusernam3 wrote: post #128
twelve40 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, but also the damn trackpad. I feel like i'm getting carpal tunnel just trying to avoid swiping the damn thing with my palm it's so freaking huge. Been 3+ years still feels like it's designed specifically to get in the way of my work.

My main gripe with the trackpad is not being able to customise the size of the right click area. It's so small compared to the size of the trackpad.

I use either a two-finger tap, or ctrl+tap for a right-click. Feels way better.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by villgax »

mqrs wrote: post #136
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

I wonder if removing the Touch Bar has something to do with prepping up the line for gaming. I personally don't dislike the Touch Bar except when I'm playing video games, and Apple Silicon is on a trajectory to be able to run games on a Mac with fairly decent graphics.

The fact that it even plays Tomb Raider at 24FPS is mind boggling with integrated graphics

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by gurkendoktor »

nottorp wrote: post #133
skocznymroczny wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main issue of this is just like with touchbar and similar solutions - power users don't look at the keyboard, so the usefulness will be minimal.

And power users here doesn't mean only IT people, but anyone who uses some application all the time for some kind of work. Someone processing photos may not be able to touch type but they'll learn the keyboard shortcuts for their stuff in no time.

Even professionals who don't learn to touch-type should at least use an external screen if they use a computer all day, at which point they'll likely use an external keyboard without a TouchBar again.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by 0x64 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #98
switz wrote: post #66

If anyone from Apple is reading, let me just say – this is exactly what I want. Magsafe charging. Function keys instead of the touchbar. 15-16" screen. M1 CPU. 32GB Memory. I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'll pay for the kickstarter now if it means it'll come out in the next 18 months. Please make it happen.

One more thing for the wish list. Make the play button work like it did 2/3(?) MacOS versions ago.

https://github.com/milgra/macmediakeyforwarder
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