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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by davewritescode » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

eplanit wrote: post #137

hackyhacky wrote: post #115

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Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

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You're the only one who's confused. BLM is both a sentiment and a real political organization. The sentiment is overwhelmingly popular whereas the actual political movement is not. You're attempting to lump them together in a way that most people don't

It's really hard to argue that conservative voices are completely silenced when the have the largest network news television station in the country. Take a look at the New York Times best seller list sometime and look at how many conservative authors make the list.

Yes, you can't spread fake bullshit on Twitter anymore about how the election was stolen but even that would've been ok until 5 people died trying to overthrow the capital.

Actions have consequences, and unfortunately for conservatives those consequences are a purge from social media as big business seeks to distance itself from radical right-wing politics.

Democracy won here, sorry.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by hackyhacky » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

cabalamat wrote: post #145

hackyhacky wrote: post #115

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Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

> Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has The USA isn't really a democracy. For it to be democratic it would have to use more democratic voting systems than FPTP and the electoral college. It's an oligarchy, but by the ruling class, which includes the big tech companies. > Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fasc…

An armed mob very nearly did succeed in overthrowing the government. And I suspect we haven't seen the last of them.

We have the closest thing to a democracy that any country has. I'm not going to split hairs about what a "real" democracy is. The fact is, our democracy is good enough that we, the people, (barely) stopped a fascist leader from maintaining power for the indefinite future, despite his very sincere desire to hold on to that power.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by victords » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #65

traveler01 wrote: post #32

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Because that would be very expensive for them...

Not moderating their uh, “content”, is very expensive for the rest of us. It’s potentially, an extreme expense for Amazon. No one has an obligation to let their business suffer for you.

Who is the "rest of us"? Facebook, Twitter...?

It's obvious there should have been more moderation. However, Parler is a 30 employee start up. Their efforts would fall sort of the ideal either way...

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by JPKab » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

kiawe_fire wrote: post #113

minimuffins wrote: post #81

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At some point this becomes about what is right for society versus what you can legally get away with and what you feel like doing because you can. Is this, legally, a free speech issue on its own? No, and I support Amazon’s right to “nope” out of anything they want. But in the current context of the rush to also prevent open Trump support in other areas like payment processing, and the way the media is hellbent on tr…

The worst part about the giddy, gleeful way in which they are shutting down these echo chamber apps is the complete lack of thought as to how this impacts and further radicalizes the users. I have a brother who is into Qanon and Alex Jones. All of this just feeds into and cements the narrative, and pushes him into alternative platforms where he is even less likely to hear or see more mainstream view points.

It literally makes the problem that the people supporting this are CLAIMING they are trying to solve worse. I think it works wonderfully for the problem they are ACTUALLY solving, which is to cement an image of normal members of the political opposition as radicals on the verge of terrorism.

I spoke to my brother last night.

In an utterly predictable fashion, the Parler shutdown has made him worse. It turns out that when multiple global corporations collude to halt the communications of people who think they are being persecuted by a colluding body of global corporations, it makes their movement stronger. Who would have thought?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by davewritescode » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

halfjoking wrote: post #154

hackyhacky wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

"Storming the capital" had as much legitimacy as the "raid on AREA 51." Those people dressed like Huck Finn Braveheart had as much chance of overthrowing the US government as memelords did kidnapping an alien and bringing intergalactic peace. This feels like 9/11 all over again. You got the worst legislation in US history as a result of 9/11. (the Patriotic Act) What's going to be the Patriotic Act for the internet n…

How many people died in the raid of AREA 51?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by jeffreyrogers » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

rnikander wrote: post #169

Does anyone else think it's suspicious that they built everything on AWS? I mean, if you know you're going to take heat for your content being less moderated, wouldn't you diversify your infrastructure? I wonder if someone wanted this to happen, in order to increase support for certain legislative action?

Why would they know they would take heat for their moderation policy? Are there any other examples? I can't think of any.

Edit: I mean examples where companies lose access to core services due to their moderation policy. I know twitter and facebook get shit for theirs all the time, but nothing substantive ever happens.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by Art9681 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #62

chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

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Twitter operates in the US so it is in its best interest to do what it can to maintain stability in its own home. To anyone working in US Government, Iran saying stupid things is common. What is not common is for US citizens to incite insurrection and chaos and then a sitting US president endorsing it.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by khawkins » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #124

cs-szazz wrote: post #77

Serious question, it seems AWS is by no means a monopoly on web hosting (Google, Azure, Digital Ocean, Linode, the list goes on). It seems to be they're well within their rights as a company to not host Parler, and Parler can try to go somewhere else. If no other companies want to host Parler, isn't that more a reflection of Parler than the hosting companies? It doesn't seem like they should be obligated to host, sin…

> If no other companies want to host Parler, isn't that more a reflection of Parler than the hosting companies? Yes. The funny thing is that it happened to people who foam at the mouth about the rights of private businesses to do what they want and decry government intervention.

You're conflating different groups of people because you don't understand the nuances of the different groups at play. These are not the same groups in the slightest.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by arbitrage » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

abarringer wrote: post #78

mozillalives wrote: post #44

All I’m going to say is that I’m all for free speech and setting fair rules for everyone to play by (ie regulation), but looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles this is beyond simple free speech. I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech but there are clear threats being made on the platform. If Parler doesn’t want to do any content regula…

oh com'n. As if twitter doesn't allow people to post stupid junk? Multiple accounts that posted "Kill all white women" "Today seems like a good day for another reminder that all republicans deserve to die" are still active along with plenty of other insane things. You can cherry pick bad stuff from any social media site.

... that's not a counter argument, you realize that, right? Saying things like that shouldn't be sanctioned on twitter, either.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by dagmx » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #103

chickenpotpie wrote: post #91

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Twitter puts an active effort into removing those posts. You can definitely make the case they don’t go far enough, but Parler did the bare minimum. You would have to cherry pick the reasonable content off that site.

Mea culpa: I had the completely wrong idea on this post. See down thread. I would delete this comment if I could. Is that why "Hang Mike Pence" was allowed to trend with 14K tweets, and later that same day "Hang Pence" with 55K?[1] I'd wager every penny I own that almost none of those people were banned or sanctioned in any way. [1]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1347791913806532609

It was brought about because the insurrectionists were shouting that after posts on Parler called for it. Twitter then moderated and banned it.

You're really cutting out a ton of context here to fit a narrative. Parler was the source of the posts and parler would not moderate it.