Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by Pfhreak » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

meekmockmook wrote: post #154

Every single player in this saga deserves nothing but contempt. Trump is reprehensible and his supporters are brainwashed. Big Tech conglomerates now openly disenfranchise and deplatform millions of people simultaneously through a coordinated effort. The implications for the future of speech and dissent are terrifying. Just disgusting and depressing in every way. An internet utopianist's nightmare. I don't want to li…

Wait, should Amazon be obligated to host an app being used to organize anti-government violence?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by Angostura » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

meekmockmook wrote: post #154

Every single player in this saga deserves nothing but contempt. Trump is reprehensible and his supporters are brainwashed. Big Tech conglomerates now openly disenfranchise and deplatform millions of people simultaneously through a coordinated effort. The implications for the future of speech and dissent are terrifying. Just disgusting and depressing in every way. An internet utopianist's nightmare. I don't want to li…

> his supporters are brainwashed

So, it would seem that there is a problem here. What could possible solutions be? Perhaps attempting to stem the flow of the radicalisation and brainwashing?

> Big Tech conglomerates now openly disenfranchise and deplatform millions of people simultaneously through a coordinated effort.

OK, so you don't like that approach to stopping brainwashing. What is your preferred solution?

Would you like government to instead mandate that web platforms must continue to enable the brainwashing?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by jimbob45 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

This is smart from a strategic standpoint. Parler is highly likely to be where the next terrorist announces their crime and there will never be a more volatile time this year for that to happen (fingers crossed). Amazon gets to dodge that bad PR nearly for free.

It’s garbage from a civil rights standpoint though lol

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by orange_joe » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:23 AM UTC

danhak wrote: post #164

The same folks who think you can't force a bakery to bake a gay cake want to force Apple to distribute an app or Twitter to publish anyone's nonsense. You can't have it both ways. For the self-proclaimed free-marketers, how is this different? It's about scale. We have an antitrust issue, not a free speech issue.

I think you're right about antitrust. Apple prevents side loading so this goes beyond them deciding not to distribute. So even if parler wanted to self distribute it can't (for iPhones at least).

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by logicslave » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:23 AM UTC

People on the left are mistaken if they think this is going to help. Someone somewhere in the country will plot something. We are playing with fire with these type of restrictions, root causes are not being solved. 75 million people voted for Donald Trump.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by NDizzle » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

jimbob45 wrote: post #173

This is smart from a strategic standpoint. Parler is highly likely to be where the next terrorist announces their crime and there will never be a more volatile time this year for that to happen (fingers crossed). Amazon gets to dodge that bad PR nearly for free. It’s garbage from a civil rights standpoint though lol

Nah, terrorists announce shit on Twitter.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

meekmockmook wrote: post #154

Every single player in this saga deserves nothing but contempt. Trump is reprehensible and his supporters are brainwashed. Big Tech conglomerates now openly disenfranchise and deplatform millions of people simultaneously through a coordinated effort. The implications for the future of speech and dissent are terrifying. Just disgusting and depressing in every way. An internet utopianist's nightmare. I don't want to li…

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by marstall » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

ENOTTY wrote: post #167

Reading Amazon's reasoning, tech companies are basically setting a standard that if you want to have user-generated content, you must have professional moderators. This seems like it will be a barrier to innovation.

so was the FDA?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

Discussions are naturally taking this move to hypothetical extremes, but Apple's stance doesn't seem very inconsistent with previous actions. They're not demanding that Parler moderate anything and everything on their platform, but they aren't ready to allow a completely unmoderated platform that features blatant calls to violence and suggestions to execute public officials.

For what it's worth, it appears to be working. Parler is starting to remove the most egregious calls to violence, such as Lin Wood's famous call to prepare firing squads to use against the Vice President of the United States: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/parler-reportedly-removed-pos...

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

mjfl wrote: post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

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