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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by djsumdog »

amyjess wrote: post #111
djsumdog wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Capitol Police were either incompetent or complicit. There are literally no other options. They knew there would be a big protests, numbers put it around 200k~300k (a tiny percentage of which actually went into the capitol building mind you). If they weren't prepared for this: incompetence. But there are videos of people getting selfies with guards, and staying within the velvet ropes when coming in. Something is…

They took selfies with the insurrectionists. They were complicit.

> insurrectionists

Peaceful protestors.

Were the BLM people who stormed city hall in Seattle insurrectionists? Where the Black Panthers who took the California State Capitol in the 1970s insurrectionists?

Stop with the bullshit name games. These were not rioters. They didn't set anything on fire. They should not have stolen or broken anything. That's wrong and bad and should be condemned. Those people should get federal time

But man...you have to admit...there is something beautiful about the peasants entering the royal court, and the town idiot putting his feet up on the table that belongs to the Hand of the King.

The villagers entered the royal court and the senators clutched their pearls.

America has had a long history of occupying federal buildings. This is certainly not unprecedented.

These people were not a coup or insurrection. They had no plan. There was no person with a new founding document they were going to read. They didn't bring in an armed force and take and occupy the capital.

The overreaction to what happened is fucking insane, especially compared to what actual Rioters where allowed to get away with for the past year. In May, DC was literally on fire from the BLM riots, and we didn't see this type of DoubleSpeak.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by cperciva »

sangnoir wrote: post #51
cperciva wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were understaffed, and it was clear that they could not protect both the building and the people. They correctly prioritized evacuating the people.

They turned down an offer from the Pentagon to supplement manpower, days before the protest. Why? A police department with an intelligence unit couldn't guess that things might get a little out of hand when 3 weeks before, the President publicly used Twitter to ask his followers[1] to attend a "wild" protest on January 6th? Not that an intelligence unit was required as the plans were in the open. I have great difficu…

They turned down an offer from the Pentagon to supplement manpower

Hmm, why turn down an offer of assistance from a military whose commander-in-chief wants to overturn the election? I can think of a few reasons...

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by the-dude »

simonh wrote: post #153
whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

If it’s a shared machine for projecting notes, chances are it has nothing stored locally.

Or everything from everybody.

We just don't know.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by duxup »

There's no playing a little footsie with anti-democratic ideas and rhetoric and just getting 'a little' anti-democratic.

That stuff will get out of hand and will come back to even bite the folks who thought they were part of it.

Lindsey Graham was apparently accosted by a crowd at the airport so much security escorted him away.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by bnralt »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #127
djsumdog wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Capitol Police were either incompetent or complicit. There are literally no other options. They knew there would be a big protests, numbers put it around 200k~300k (a tiny percentage of which actually went into the capitol building mind you). If they weren't prepared for this: incompetence. But there are videos of people getting selfies with guards, and staying within the velvet ropes when coming in. Something is…

I wonder if, since so many on HN feel that they are enlightened people, it is possible for us to give the benefit of the doubt to people who's jobs we don't do and probably know nothing about? Just because we work in tech does not mean we know everything, and not having been there means we don't know the circumstances anyway. It is disgustingly arrogant of any of us to proclaim that these people must be incompetent o…

Indeed, the hyperbole and conspiracy theories on all sides have lead me to detach myself from politics. There were a few hundred/thousand people who rioted at the Capitol, law enforcement in riot gear fought them with clubs and pepper spray, got overwhelmed, fell back, regrouped, and responded with a lot of force a couple hours later. One of the rioters was shot, dozens were arrested. Not a good scenario, but I've seen a lot of people who I had thought were more measured yelling about how police were assisting with an attempted coup attempt (even supposedly respected news stations were going off the deep end). It feels like the 24/7 news cycle has fried a lot of people's minds and turned everything into a final battle between good and evil.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by omarhaneef »

simonh wrote: post #153
whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

If it’s a shared machine for projecting notes, chances are it has nothing stored locally.

If I had to bet:

-- someone accidentally stored something

-- that thing is no big deal, perhaps technically a secret

-- people who get ahold of it and read it will make up conspiracy theories about it

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by compscistd »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #146

Storming? Let’s not get ahead ourselves here. The capitol police literally opened the door and let them inside: https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1347615270504955904... Which explains this hilarious picture of a 70-year old grandma “coup plotter” posing with coffee mug. https://twitter.com/TheRealEWILLZ/status/1346999976899932161...

Because someone on the inside opened the door and let them in, it’s not “storming”? Those Twitter comments are all suggesting this was a setup, but the more likely scenario is that most of those that should be serving as police either were sympathetic to today’s right wing rhetoric or weren’t prepared for a mess of people. What were they supposed to do at the point of this video? Pull out their guns and escalate the situation?

People died anyway.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by geofft »

whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

The presentation machines at my workplace (in addition to being desktops in a locked cabinet, because why would they leave the room?) just allow you to remote desktop back to your real workstation or to a VM. They have nothing locally.

I think that's a good solution to avoiding over-granting privileges.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by johnnyballgame »

simonh wrote: post #153
whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

If it’s a shared machine for projecting notes, chances are it has nothing stored locally.

Optimistic thinking. Chances are it has many PDF and PowerPoint files scattered on it. And probably a shared user account where the files fill up a Windows desktop.
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